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_Holy Ghost
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Book of Mormon is redundant

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Book of Mormon Geography
Overview
The Book of Mormon includes a history of an ancient people who migrated from the Near East to the Americas. This history contains information about the places they lived, including descriptions of landforms, natural features, and the distances and cardinal directions between important points. The internal consistency of these descriptions is one of the striking features of the Book of Mormon.

Since the publication of the Book of Mormon in 1830, members and leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have expressed numerous opinions about the specific locations of the events discussed in the book. Some believe that the history depicted in the Book of Mormon—with the exception of the events in the Near East—occurred in North America, while others believe that it occurred in Central America or South America. Although Church members continue to discuss such theories today, the Church’s only position is that the events the Book of Mormon describes took place in the ancient Americas.

The Prophet Joseph Smith himself accepted what he felt was evidence of Book of Mormon civilizations in both North America and Central America. While traveling with Zion’s Camp in 1834, Joseph wrote to his wife Emma that they were “wandering over the plains of the Nephites, recounting occasionally the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls and their bones, as a proof of its divine authenticity.”1 In 1842, the Church newspaper Times and Seasons published articles under Joseph Smith’s editorship that identified the ruins of ancient native civilizations in Mexico and Central America as further evidence of the Book of Mormon’s historicity.2

The Church does not take a position on the specific geographic locations of Book of Mormon events in the ancient Americas. President M. Russell Ballard, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, reminded members that “the Book of Mormon is not a textbook on topography. Speculation on the geography of the Book of Mormon may mislead instead of enlighten; such a study can be a distraction from its divine purpose.”

Individuals may have their own opinions regarding Book of Mormon geography and other such matters about which the Lord has not spoken. However, the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles urge leaders and members not to advocate those personal theories in any setting or manner that would imply either prophetic or Church support for those theories. All parties should strive to avoid contention on these matters.

Speaking of the book’s history and geography, President Russell M. Nelson taught: “Interesting as these matters may be, study of the Book of Mormon is most rewarding when one focuses on its primary purpose—to testify of Jesus Christ. By comparison, all other issues are incidental.”3

fn1 Letter to Emma Smith, June 4, 1834, in The Joseph Smith Papers, Documents, Volume 4: April 1834–September 1835, ed. Matthew C. Godfrey and others (2016), 57; spelling standardized.

fn2 “Traits of the Mosaic History, Found among the Azteca Nation,” Times and Seasons, June 15, 1842, 818–20; see also “American Antiquities,” Times and Seasons, July 15, 1842, 858–60. Although it is not clear how involved Joseph Smith was in writing these editorials, he never refuted them.

fn3 Russell M. Nelson, “A Testimony of the Book of Mormon,” Ensign, Nov. 1999, 69.
https://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-topics/book-of-mormon-geography?lang=eng

What do Mormons find lacking about the testimonies of Jesus Christ found in the Four Gospels of the New Testament? What does the Book of Mormon do for that? So what the Book of Mormon claims that resurrected Jesus appeared to people somewhere in the Americas. Jesus has not appeared to all people at all times in all places. If from the New Testament you do not believe in Jesus, how does the Book of Mormon cause one to believe? James 1:5 supposedly worked just fine for Joseph Smith, so why do other Mormons need Moroni 10:4-5? What did Jesus teach per 3rd Nephi that one does not learn from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
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Holy Ghost wrote:What did Jesus teach per 3rd Nephi that one does not learn from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

Well, that fresh from praying for forgiveness for the people that were crucifying him on the grounds that they were acting from ignorance, the Christ would toast several cities full of men, women, and children just because they were bad or something. That was certainly an eye-opener for me.

I mean, even just as a literary character, the Jesus Christ of 3 Nephi is pretty non-canonical. It's like reading fan fiction in which Harry Potter suddenly slaughters everyone at Hogwarts. All you can say is, Um, no.
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Good point! Most members have gone along with the focus on the Book of Mormon & are surprisingly clueless about the writings of Christ in the New Testament.

In many ways, the Book of Mormon is redundant (plagiarized Bible etc). But there are some unique bits of wisdom or inspiration. Even though I consider the Book of Mormon (& much of the Bible) symbolic not literal, I love the story in 3Nephi about Christ blessing the children.

And some other Book of Mormon favorites:
“Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.” –Alma 32:21

(Kind of like Yin & Yang...)
"For it must needs be that there is an opposition in all things. If not so...righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one." -2Ne 2:11

And ironically the Book of Mormon even includes some anti-Mormon chastising of lds church leaders: ;)
“For behold, ye do love money, & your substance, & your fine apparel, & the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor & the needy, the sick & the afflicted. O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies – because of the praise of the world?” –Mormon 8:37-38
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Maybe this has already been done perhaps by the Tanners or someone else- that is take the Book of Mormon and black out /redact every instance where the Bible is found in it, eg all those Isaiah chapters, portions of the Gospels and epistles even if there are simply phrases that Joseph Smith used -even words from the Bible where there is likely probability that Joseph Smith came up with his own phraseology-black it all out and show what is left, that is "pure Book of Mormon'. Not sure how much would be left but I think the Book of Mormon would be reduced in volume.

First blackout: "And it came to pass".

Anyone have a thought on how a liberally redacted Book of Mormon would read??

Thanx
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And it came to pass. . . . . .
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New Testament is redundant and recast God to the point of god appearing schizophrenic.
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Mormonicious wrote:And it came to pass. . . . . .


You beat me to it ....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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