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The Church does not take a position on the specific geographic locations of Book of Mormon events in the ancient Americas.

https://www.LDS.org/topics/geography?lang=eng

However...
Cumorah, Hill
See also Book of Mormon; Moroni, Son of Mormon; Smith, Joseph, Jr.

A small hill located in western New York, United States of America. Here an ancient prophet named Moroni hid the gold plates containing some of the records of the Nephite and Jaredite nations. Joseph Smith was directed to this hill in 1827 by the resurrected Moroni to get these plates and translate a portion of them. This translation is the Book of Mormon.
Nephites gathered at Cumorah, Morm. 6:2–4.
Cumorah was in a land of many waters, Morm. 6:4.
Mormon hid the records in the Hill Cumorah, Morm. 6:6.
All but twenty and four Nephites were slain at Cumorah, Morm. 6:11.
We hear glad tidings from Cumorah, D&C 128:20.
Joseph Smith took plates from the Hill Cumorah, Joseph Smith—H 1:42, 50–54, 59.

https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/gs/cumorah-hill?lang=eng

And...
The events that took place at the Hill Cumorah were foundational to the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Directed by the angel Moroni, Joseph Smith found the golden plates deposited in the hill on September 22, 1823, approximately three miles from his home. Joseph met the angel there on the same date the next four years until he was finally allowed to obtain the plates. From those plates, he later translated the Book of Mormon by the gift and power of God.

In the 1820s, the hill did not have a name. It later became known as the Hill Cumorah because Moroni, the Book of Mormon’s final author and the angel who met with Joseph Smith, wrote that he had hidden the golden plates in a hill called Cumorah (see Mormon 6:6).

https://history.LDS.org/subsection/hist ... h?lang=eng

That certainly looks like the Church taking a position on the geography of the Hill Cumorah.
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What it is a prophet does, again?
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Never been to the Hill Cumorah pageant but it's discontinuance might be attributed to the church trying to disconnect what most chapel Mormons probably believe- that it ALL happened there! No high speed planes, trains or canoes from central america to NY by way of missouri, utah or points west-midwest and east!

Rusty please ask Wendy where the "true " cumorah hill is located!

Thanx Rusty-your friend kairos- just joking!

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Fence Sitter wrote:What it is a prophet does, again?

Reveals God's will as to how many earrings per ear a woman may wear, and that men wear none.
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Holy Ghost wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:What it is a prophet does, again?

Reveals God's will as to how many earrings per ear a woman may wear, and that men wear none.


And please do not forget the most important thing, to emphasize the name of Jesus, who gets rather irate if he is ignored. And he also gets hot headed when Satan chuckles about him being forgotten and not mentioned every single hour of every single day by every single person on planet earth. You'd think Jesus would at least take out a newspaper ad every now and again wouldn't you?
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Joseph Smith wandering over the Plains of the Nephites.
Re-buried Zelph, the Great White Lamanite Warrior.

Early on the morning of April 25, 1877, President Brigham Young asked Brother Warren S. Snow to go with him to the Temple hill. Brother Snow says: “We two were alone: President Young took me to the spot where the Temple was to stand; we went to the southeast corner, and President Young said: “Here is the spot where the prophet Moroni stood and dedicated this piece of land for a Temple site, and that is the reason why the location is made here, and we can’t move it from this spot; and if you and I are the only persons that come here at high noon today, we will dedicate this ground.”

That Moroni dedicated the Manti Temple site is one of the few statements the Brethren have made connecting a Book of Mormon figure with a specific current place and action. This aids us in documenting one of Moroni’s travels and priesthood assignments. Another reference happened when William McBride, patriarch from the Richfield Utah Stake, spoke at a prayer meeting in St. George in January 1881. After recalling many experiences from the Nauvoo period and quoting the Prophet Joseph Smith on many issues, Patriarch McBride referred to

the Route the old Nephites took travelling to Cumorah from the south and south west; of having to bury their tr[e]asures as they journeyed and finally burying the Records and precious things in the Hill Cumorah; of Moroni dedicating the Temple site of what we now call St. George, Nauvoo, Jackson Co., Kirtland, and others we know not of as yet.

Hill Cumorah

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There's one Cumorah, in NY. Anything else is evasions and Boolsheet. And the fact that nothing has ever turned up in excavating the hill, and that no one is pursuing ground penetrating radar and excavation, shows that the church KNOWS there is nothing there or fears to find out.

Imagine a Christian archaeologist who is unwilling to even investigate whether a particular site was where a New Testament figure was buried or lived. :rolleyes:

It's a fraud, folks. However you frame the Prophet Puzzle, fraud was there from the beginning. It's still with us now. It's indispensable to Mormonism, apparently. :wink:
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Yeah, let's see what isn't there in the hill cumorah. Then, finally this nonsense can be put to bed.
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And the church has, at various times, pushed for the limited geography Mesoamerican model ala Sorenson too.
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Maksutov wrote:There's one Cumorah, in New York. Anything else is evasions and Boolsheet. And the fact that nothing has ever turned up in excavating the hill, and that no one is pursuing ground penetrating radar and excavation, shows that the church KNOWS there is nothing there or fears to find out.

Imagine a Christian archaeologist who is unwilling to even investigate whether a particular site was where a New Testament figure was buried or lived. :rolleyes:

It's a fraud, folks. However you frame the Prophet Puzzle, fraud was there from the beginning. It's still with us now. It's indispensable to Mormonism, apparently. :wink:


This shows you have no faith.
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