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I don’t remember the Brethren “vigorously marketing the Church under the Mormon name” — unless that is your snide characterization of what they were actually doing.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/717 ... 1209896052

Meet the Mormons Now 37th of All Documentaries
Contributed By R. Scott Lloyd, Church News staff writer

24 OCTOBER 2014

The success of Meet the Mormons, the Church’s first venture into showing a motion picture in commercial theaters, has exceeded all expectations. After just 10 days, it ranks as the 37th most successful documentary ever.

The movie premiered October 7 at a theater in Sandy, Utah, and was released October 10 at 317 theaters in 45 states, becoming the number 1 film in 100 of them. In its first week, the film finished as the 10th highest grossing film in the nation and one of the top 100 documentaries of all time.

The number of screens showing the film expanded to 333 on October 17, with more planned. That’s more than twice as many screens as initially planned, but the demand had already increased, driven by word of mouth and social media. It is anticipated the movie will eventually be shown internationally, as well as in visitors’ centers and at the Legacy Theater in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in Salt Lake City.

It was initially planned for exclusive showing there, but filmmakers and Church leaders began to think big at the urging of an outside firm.

“As we first started talking about a release in commercial theaters, even I was shocked,” director Blair Treu admitted. “But as we’ve watched the audiences respond in previews, I’m not fearful now; I’m pretty calm.”

It was Brother Treu who, in a brainstorming meeting to discuss making a new film for the Legacy Theater, suggested the idea of the documentary. “My hand shot up. I said, ‘Let’s show the world who we are, mostly through the perspective of our members, rather than through the details of our beliefs.’”

It stemmed from a longing he’d had as a youth growing up in the Church. “I thought, ‘If people just knew us, they wouldn’t say such terrible things about us. Their perspective of who we are would change if they just knew us better.’”

Brother Treu pitched the idea to Church leaders, who sent him out to make an advance trailer, filming prototypical interviews in Europe, Asia, South America, and the United States.

“We showed it to President Thomas S. Monson,” Brother Treu recounted. “He said, ‘I love it; go do it.’”

It was the Church President, in fact, who named the film, reusing a title that was given to a film he was involved with as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles back in the early 1970s, one that was used extensively in missionary work with a similar concept but not nearly on the scale of this one.

https://www.LDS.org/church/news/meet-th ... s?lang=eng

Having embarked on a bold new venture with the theatrical release of its new motion picture “Meet the Mormons,” The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will find out beginning Friday if its hopes come true.

The movie opens at some 300 theaters in 45 states. That’s twice as many screens as initially planned, but demand has already increased, driven by word-of-mouth and social media. Organizers hope for an eventual international roll-out

Originally anticipated for exclusive showing at the church’s Legacy Theater in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in Salt Lake City, filmmakers and church leaders began to think big at the urging of an outside firm.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865 ... hotos.html

Poor Scott.
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Jesus Christ, Lloyd is as bald faced a liar as they come. Is it any wonder I lost faith in it all and can't believe a word any of them say? God what a moron.
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And from last year, Scott reported on the further "marketing [of] the Church under the Mormon name":
'Meet the Mormons' franchise culminates with latest vignettes

By R. Scott Lloyd
Deseret News

Updated
2 Feb 2018

In an interview in the lobby after the preview, director and writer Blair Treu traced the development of the “Meet the Mormons” franchise.

The concept started in 2010 with the premiere of the original, feature-length movie occurring in October 2014 and initially planned for showing strictly at the Church’s Legacy Theater.

“We had no idea it would go as far as it did until we tested it on focus groups and the scores came back so unbelievably high,” Treu said.

An outside marketing firm suggested it be released in theaters. For two weeks in a row, it was in the top 10 films in the nation for per-theater average. Ultimately it placed among the top 35 documentaries of all time.

“When we saw the success of that first film, we realized we had extra footage from those original stories,” the director said. “Our first step was to redo those six stories as stand-alone versions but add footage that had not been seen before.”

These were exhibited at visitors’ centers and historic sites. Later, three additional stand-alone films were made for showing in the centers. With the addition of “The Craftsman” and the one to be introduced later this year, “The Doctors,” set in St. Petersburg, Russia, the shorter films now number 11 in all.

https://www.thechurchnews.com/archive/2 ... ttes-33312

11 short films in all! How snide of the Brethren to market that way.
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The Church's national media campaign called “I’m a Mormon” (launched in 2010) included television spots, billboards, and ads on buses and on the Internet. The ads give a glimpse into the lives of Latter-day Saints from all over the world and refer people to the Mormon.org website, where they can read the profiles of tens of thousands of Mormons, chat live with representatives who will answer questions about the faith and watch dozens of videos about members of the Church.

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/-i-m-a-mormon-campaign
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I don’t remember the Brethren “vigorously marketing the Church under the Mormon name” — unless that is your snide characterization of what they were actually doing.

Scott Loyd does not represent the church and cannot speak for God to the whole church. The "I'm a Mormon" campaign and the "Meet the Mormons" was done under the direction of the First Presidency. The First Presidency receives its instruction from Jesus Christ on how to direct and lead the church. But now we see that those First Presidencies have been thrown under the bus by the current First Presidency. In effect, Jesus Christ throws himself under the bus and lets his church run him over.
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I think he edited his comment on the MD forum... too bad... would've been a fun side-by-side. :)
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It's tough being the first member to have the "follow the brethren" chip inserted into his brain. Time to get it checked. The gaslighting was too obvious on this one and church central command will have a hard time getting the other members to insert the chip if it is so obvious how it affects the brain. Compliance needs to be a little more subtle while the chip insertion program is rolled out. :lol:
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Shulem wrote:
I don’t remember the Brethren “vigorously marketing the Church under the Mormon name” — unless that is your snide characterization of what they were actually doing.

Scott Loyd does not represent the church and cannot speak for God to the whole church. The "I'm a Mormon" campaign and the "Meet the Mormons" was done under the direction of the First Presidency. The First Presidency receives its instruction from Jesus Christ on how to direct and lead the church. But now we see that those First Presidencies have been thrown under the bus by the current First Presidency. In effect, Jesus Christ throws himself under the bus and lets his church run him over.

You're absolutely right.

What does the President of The Church think about Meet The Mormons?
Thomas S. Monson 2014 "I love it; go do it."
Russell M. Nelson 2018 "It's a victory for Satan"

Poor Scott, no wonder he's having a hard time "remembering".
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It's interesting that Nelson has wanted the name change since at least 1990, but Hinckley shot him down, in a general conference talk, no less. This from reddit adds some context:

Here's the quote from Wendy Nelson courtesy of the Mormon (ahem) Newsroom:

"I have seen him changing in the last ten months,” said Sister Nelson. “It is as though he's been unleashed. He's free to finally do what he came to earth to do. … And also, he's free to follow through with things he's been concerned about but could never do. Now that he's president of [the Church], he can do those things."

She is literally stating that all Russell Nelson is doing as prophet are the things he wanted to do before but lacked the power to do.

Not because God revealed it to him lately, but because he now lived long enough to have the power.

The entire 'living prophet' idea debunked in a single sentence.

We wrote about the rebranding of revelation after GenCon, but will have to do a follow-up now. It's on our blog (under the Faith Crisis report post) at http://www.ldsdiscussions.com/ldsblog

The Mormon Newsroom story is in full at: https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... l-ministry

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... t_russell/


reddit post from the thread, with some links for context:

1) April 1990: Rusty Nelson huffs and puffs about his favorite pet peeve
https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... d?lang=eng

(2) October 1990: Gordon Hinckley tells Rusty to sit down and STFU
https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... d?lang=eng

(3) October 2018: “Nobody puts Baby in a corner!"
https://www.ldschurchnews.com/leaders-a ... urch-48174
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Wendy wrote:It is as though he's been unleashed

People don't wear leashes! Dogs do. The reason dogs wear a leash is to keep them from going wear they are NOT supposed to go and to keep them under control.

Apparently, Apostle Nelsatan needed a leash lest he go against what Jesus was telling Hinckley and Monson to do. But now the leash has been taking off and the dog is running wherever he wants.

Very revealing. Thank you, Wendy.
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