Book of Mormon Transliteration

[_mentalgymnast]

...we do know that the Book of Mormon is of human origin...

And others would disagree.

Regards,
MG

[_Maksutov]

...we do know that the Book of Mormon is of human origin...

And others would disagree.

Regards,
MG

But not out of knowledge, only ignorance and misplaced trust, called "faith".

[_mentalgymnast]

I'm criticizing you for speculating based on 0 evidence and worse for a lot of evidence that does not support your speculations.

I think we've been down this road before, Themis. I suppose the problem with being able to focus on and really determine whether one faith community might have something more...of an eternal nature/importance...than another is the fact that there are so many of them. It makes it a bit confusing, doesn't it? You look at all of the systems of faith that generally/essentially have similar teachings and have a set of doctrines or practices that people adhere to and one can easily say, "Well, they can't all be true, so none of them are". Or the corollary, "Well, I've determined that there is no evidence for God, so all the systems of religious belief are man made".

I will again say, as I've said before, in the market place of ideas and religions I look at the CofJCofLDS as a very strong competitor in that marketplace as being the 'real deal' in all of its fullness. I know that this can't be proved to you. It's a matter of faith. But for you to determine that the CofJCofLDS doesn't have one piece of evidence that would lead one towards a belief in its divine origins is honestly a bit egotistical in your own prowess in having learned all there is to know about life and the cosmos.

Have you stopped wondering about human potential beyond the here and now? Have you stopped asking yourself the question, "Is there something more than this?"

I would assume that at one time you were concerned for the state of your eternal soul...back when you may have accepted the possibility that you were an eternal being rather than simply a lump of flesh.

Religious folks, and members of the LDS church in particular are like Joseph Smith, the founder prophet, in the sense that they are concerned for the state and welfare of their eternal soul and whether or not they are accountable to God.

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

I will again say, as I've said before, in the market place of ideas and religions I look at the CofJCofLDS as a very strong competitor in that marketplace as being the 'real deal' in all of its fullness.

Why?

[_honorentheos]

...the information must be soldered in from elsewhere.

Sorry to derail slightly, but for whatever reason I really enjoyed this phrasing and wanted to acknowledge that to Gad.

[Guest]

I think we've been down this road before, Themis. I suppose the problem with being able to focus on and really determine whether one faith community might have something more...of an eternal nature/importance...than another is the fact that there are so many of them. It makes it a bit confusing, doesn't it? You look at all of the systems of faith that generally/essentially have similar teachings and have a set of doctrines or practices that people adhere to and one can easily say, "Well, they can't all be true, so none of them are". Or the corollary, "Well, I've determined that there is no evidence for God, so all the systems of religious belief are man made".

No where have I suggested since not all can be true then all must be false. Lack of any evidence makes it reasonable to think they are all man made, but when it come to LDS I don't have to do that. I can look at a lot of great evidence of it being man made and no good evidence it comes from God.

I will again say, as I've said before, in the market place of ideas and religions I look at the CofJCofLDS as a very strong competitor in that marketplace as being the 'real deal' in all of its fullness. I know that this can't be proved to you. It's a matter of faith. But for you to determine that the CofJCofLDS doesn't have one piece of evidence that would lead one towards a belief in its divine origins is honestly a bit egotistical in your own prowess in having learned all there is to know about life and the cosmos.

It has no good evidence in support of it being from God, and I have asked you multiple time for some good evidence and never getting anything from you. It has lots against it though. Good evidence is much more valuable then lack of evidence MG, and no where have I suggested I know all there is about life or the Cosmos. This is just your lack of comprehension skills again or lying.

Have you stopped wondering about human potential beyond the here and now? Have you stopped asking yourself the question, "Is there something more than this?"

I wonder about many things including what you ask. I don't create beliefs based on wondering's with no evidence. I keep an open mind.

Religious folks, and members of the LDS church in particular are like Joseph Smith, the founder prophet, in the sense that they are concerned for the state and welfare of their eternal soul and whether or not they are accountable to God.

No I find most members to be much more honest then Joseph and not make things up and manipulate women into sex.

[_Lemmie]

...the information must be soldered in from elsewhere.

Sorry to derail slightly, but for whatever reason I really enjoyed this phrasing and wanted to acknowledge that to Gad.

I'm glad you pointed that out. When I read Gad's words it reminded me of my son, who had a hands on engineering class where in the end he had to solder something onto a computer board. He came home and said, "Mom, there is nothing worse than trying to solder some tiny little piece of crap onto a place where it doesn't want to be."

[_mentalgymnast]

I will again say, as I've said before, in the market place of ideas and religions I look at the CofJCofLDS as a very strong competitor in that marketplace as being the 'real deal' in all of its fullness.

Why?

Nothing you haven't heard before. I think I know that for a fact. I don't know that it's worth the time of 'making a list'. You could probably make it for me.

But, I have been down the path of comparison shopping. I don't see any product that outperforms the message and doctrines of the CofJCofLDS.

Not to say, however, that there aren't a whole lot of other products on the shelves that provide a lot of good and nourishment to the common good and well being of humanity.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

I keep an open mind.

Fair enough.

Although from where I'm sitting I think that for a person to determine that there isn't a creator/God is a bit shortsighted.

Open mindedness, I'm afraid, may not in and of itself lead you to a belief in God. Especially if the evidence is not readily forthcoming.

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

I will again say, as I've said before, in the market place of ideas and religions I look at the CofJCofLDS as a very strong competitor in that marketplace as being the 'real deal' in all of its fullness.

Why?

Nothing you haven't heard before. I think I know that for a fact. I don't know that it's worth the time of 'making a list'. You could probably make it for me.

But, I have been down the path of comparison shopping. I don't see any product that outperforms the message and doctrines of the CofJCofLDS.

Not to say, however, that there aren't a whole lot of other products on the shelves that provide a lot of good and nourishment to the common good and well being of humanity.

Regards,
MG

None of that answers the specific question:

I will again say, as I've said before, in the market place of ideas and religions I look at the CofJCofLDS as a very strong competitor in that marketplace as being the 'real deal' in all of its fullness.

Why?