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US Attorney says Utah hotbed for fraud. Because Mormons.

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:23 pm
by _I have a question
Federal prosecutors want to come down hard on a Utah real estate magnate who bilked investors out of tens of millions of dollars in one of the state's largest Ponzi schemes.

Saying his crimes are emblematic of Utah's reputation as a hotbed for fraud, the U.S. Attorney's Office is recommending that Claud R. "Rick" Koerber spend 20 years behind bars.

"Like-minded potential fraudsters must be deterred through an expectation of just punishment should they follow Koerber’s footsteps," prosecutors wrote in a new court filing.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... erber.html

Koerber, 46, used his businesses — Founders Capital, and related companies Franklin Squires Investments and Franklin Squires Cos. — as a $100 million Ponzi scheme from 2004 to 2008.

Koerber profusely proclaimed his innocence throughout the prolonged case. He has maintained that he defrauded no one but ran a profitable business and was singled out by bureaucrats angered by his radio show, "The Free Capitalist."

While investors believed their money would be used in secure real estate deals, Koerber spent it instead on luxury sports cars, like Spykers and Ferraris, producing a low-budget horror movie and minted his own "vanity" gold and sliver coins, according to prosecutors. Investors lost $45.2 million when the scheme collapsed.


Prosecutors say Koerber "preyed" on friends and fellow members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"Koerber was able to gain the trust of his investors, in part, because he appeared to be a faithful Mormon, and he used vocabulary and concepts designed to appeal to a Mormon audience," prosecutors wrote. "Koerber’s pitch of high but safe returns, combined with Mormon ideology, enabled him to obtain nearly $100 million from investors."


In his seminars, Koerber made overt references to the Latter-day Saint faith, often comparing himself to church founder Joseph Smith. Like the 13 statements Smith wrote about the church's core beliefs, Koerber created his own “13 Principles of Prosperity."

"He told his followers, in front of a pulpit similar to those in Mormon church houses, and in a tone familiar to any who have attended a Mormon testimony meeting, that 'I am telling you with all the soberness I can muster, though this is not a church pulpit, I know that what we are doing is being inspired by God,'" according to court documents.

Re: US Attorney says Utah hotbed for fraud. Because Mormons.

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:12 pm
by _Mormonicious
DAMMIT!

I was just on my way to invest in his program. Like Rusty the Tin Man, I was sleeping in my bed when a thought came to me with such impression, that I should place all of my 401K in this most trustworthy man of Mormon man god and Mormon bastard jebus. What am I to do now?

Why is it that the Gov'ment is ALWAYS interfering with Mormon man god and Mormon bastard jebus' elect? Why is Mormon Satan so against the Book of Mor(m)on that promises Wealth if I just follow Rusty the Tin Man and the other damned 14. Why?

Re: US Attorney says Utah hotbed for fraud. Because Mormons.

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:44 pm
by _Dr Exiled
It's the members' fault because prophets always act as men, all the time, and they should know that, despite what the prophets tell them. Nevertheless, wink, wink, that is what we tell the outside world. We as members know better and my neighbor's cancer was healed with doTerra and don't we deserve to be wealthy just like the NuSkin people? That Koerber was a nice man and always bore a strong testimony in church and look at his Ferrari, what a car!

Re: US Attorney says Utah hotbed for fraud. Because Mormons.

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:16 am
by _Gadianton
Koerber profusely proclaimed his innocence throughout the prolonged case


Maybe he's even sincere?

There was an incident of this at a ward where I grew up. The guy went to prison and years into it, his actions and beliefs as relayed to me were very consistent with a belief that he was a righteous victim of wicked forces conspiring against him. His particular choices in managing his trial were totally foot-shooting, but consistent with his alleged beliefs. At church he was as self-righteous and holier-than-thou as they come. People reacted to this in different ways. My parents were uber TBM, and they had a run-in with him where he clashed with my dad over a matter of deep doctrine. As time went on, my parents got along with him, but considered him self-righteous and never would have given him a cent. Others considered him an jerk, and yet others considered him a spiritual giant -- hence his business opportunities.

But here's the thing: no matter where you landed: Jerk, a bit uptight, or a spiritual giant, his absurd doctrinal beliefs and over-the-top testimony was yet still within what's permissible as a Mormon. To give you an idea, I really don't want to get into fine details, but his patriarchal blessing (supposedly!) had something in it that was unusual, but not unheard of, and so when he first came into the ward he threw it in the Bishop's face to prepare the leadership of the stake for his ascension into Church leadership that was rightfully his.

But it wasn't totally like, is this guy insane? The man had some severe misunderstandings about certain doctrines, and if you were to refer to what Bruce R. says on the subject in Mormon Doctrine, nowhere does it say what the newcomer says it does: in other words, the new guy isn't totally crazy, the real doctrine on the subject gives him a serious point, but he's taking to too far.

And narcissistic types can really get groomed into their roles as a con by Mormon family culture. A great example where the older brother who started a cult was the perfect child, spiritual giant, lots of spiritual experiences on mission, and perhaps most importantly, had a mother who believed as many Mormon mothers believe about their sons, that he would fulfill Bible prophecy and be a great leader in the Church; he could do no wrong; the family drooled at his spiritual insights, and so on until he was on a murder spree.

A person like this born into a family that can better recognize narcissistic behavior, instead of reinforcing it, could challenge it, and proper feedback and criticism might improve the person's chances for stopping at the edge of the cliff instead of going over.

Re: US Attorney says Utah hotbed for fraud. Because Mormons.

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:59 pm
by _Mormonicious
Exiled wrote:It's the members' fault because prophets always act as men, all the time, and they should know that, despite what the prophets tell them. Nevertheless, wink, wink, that is what we tell the outside world. We as members know better and my neighbor's cancer was healed with doTerra and don't we deserve to be wealthy just like the NuSkin people? That Koerber was a nice man and always bore a strong testimony in church and look at his Ferrari, what a car!

In a sense, it is partly the member's fault. The fault lies in their greed of believing that Obedience = Wealth vs. Sinning = Poverty scenario outlined in the Book of Mor(m)on is real. They have been taught all their lives that Riches of Righteousness are of the Earth and not as that Biblical jebus stated "Not of this World" (dumb crap Biblical jebus).

Therefore when these Honest and Righteous men of Mormon man god and Mormon bastard jebus tell them that they know how to and are the way to Earthly Wealth, they jump on it with all their Money. Stupid damned Mormons

All Hail Google GOD

Re: US Attorney says Utah hotbed for fraud. Because Mormons.

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:21 pm
by _SuperDell
Greed on the part of the investors is the major component that has Utah labeled as "The Fraud Capitol of the US" by Federal Law Enforcement.

Still wonder why none of those cheated have "blood atoned" this crook?

Nearly 10 years to get him to this point? The system is a farce.

Links between Mormonism and MLM jobs for stay-at-home mums

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:58 pm
by _I have a question
The phenomenon known as 'multi-level marketing' sees social media influencers post job adverts, offering the chance of six-figure incomes in return for selling products online.
But is there a darker side behind these enticing Instagram posts?
Journalist Ellie Flynn investigates the multi-billion pound online selling industry that mostly targets young women with the opportunity to earn big money.
In search of answers and accountability from these billion-dollar companies, Ellie's investigation takes her all the way to Utah, USA, and the heart of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - the Mormons - where two of the biggest companies - Younique and Nu Skin – were founded.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-4 ... -home-mums

Re: Links between Mormonism and MLM jobs for stay-at-home mu

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:08 pm
by _Mormonicious
I have a question wrote:
The phenomenon known as 'multi-level marketing' sees social media influencers post job adverts, offering the chance of six-figure incomes in return for selling products online.
But is there a darker side behind these enticing Instagram posts?
Journalist Ellie Flynn investigates the multi-billion pound online selling industry that mostly targets young women with the opportunity to earn big money.
In search of answers and accountability from these billion-dollar companies, Ellie's investigation takes her all the way to Utah, USA, and the heart of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - the Mormons - where two of the biggest companies - Younique and Nu Skin – were founded.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-4 ... -home-mums

How DARE they impugn the Honor and Integrity of Horny Holy Joe's good people!