New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterlife

[_Dr Exiled]

Got to make grandiose promises of future glory to get the loyal dupes to pay and sacrifice some free time to the cause.

And I heard the call from afar .... "Go forth sir knights DCP, Midge, and kiwi57 and slay that atheist dragon Gemli." Clearly, the dastardly devil has no posterity and is not well traveled like our heroes who are blessed with a more eternal weight of glory than us mere humans. Onward in humble superiority.

[_Gadianton]

I don't think that it is. The "sinning" that the man committed appears to have been done out of sorrow... So, like, drinking, maybe? Maybe he fornicated? Masturbated? Whatever the case may be, based on the text, it doesn't seem like he did anything that would relegate him to the Telestial.

The gate is pretty narrow in this book.

"Miss Wilton's going to sing at the concert," Volmer told Rupert later
in the evening. "'Twill be a big help. She's a regular opera singer, you
know. She's been in the business. I heard her sing in Denver two years
ago, and she was with a troupe that passed through here some time since.
I remember her well, but of course I wouldn't say anything to her about
it. No doubt she wishes to forget it all."

"What do you mean?" asked Rupert, quite fiercely.

"I mean that her company then was not of the choicest, but I believe
she's all right and a good enough girl.

Good enough? Rupert was falling for Miss Wilton, and the news that she had sung in the opera was pretty devastating. Was there something in her to salvage?

She was educated, businesslike, and a leader, and he,
ambitious of attaining to something in the world, would need such a
woman for his wife. But that sting which Volmer Holm had given him! His
wife must be beyond suspicion. He could not afford to make a mistake,
for if he did, it would be the mistake of his life. But was it a sin for
a girl to sing in an opera? Certainly not. Anyway, he would not condemn
her unheard--and then,

It may not technically have been a sin for her to sing in the opera, but it was a worldly enough vocation to give him serious pause. In stark contrast to the checkered past of Miss Wilton, who seems to have repented from her opera singing, Rupert is a man without any question of guile given he is

a shrewd business man and knew how to invest his growing bank account. It was no secret that city lots and business property were continually being added to his possessions.

All but the best are "left behind". It doesn't exactly spell out the TK Smoothie hypothesis, but it's heavily implied in these words:

Here in thy Home, O Woman all divine,
Thy measure of creation thou doest fill!
Intelligences come from out the womb
Of Time, into thine own; thence are they born
With spirit bodies, to thy loving care.
Now thou art Mother, and doest know in full
A mother's joy--a joy untinged by pain,
And with thy Husband thou hast now become
Creator, fellow worker with thy Lord.
Celestial Father, Mother at the head
Of parentage they stand, the perfect type
Of that eternal principle of sex
Found in all nature, making possible
For every living thing to multiply
And bring increase of being of its kind.
In this celestial world, the fittest have
Survived. To them alone the pow'r is given
To propagate their kind. 'Twas wisely planned.
The race of Gods must not deteriorate.
Thus everlasting increase is denied
To those who have not reached perfection's plane.

[_Dr Exiled]

To answer the above question, I think they believe those who don't make it to the highest part of the celestial kingdom will be forever less than, forever faced with the hell of what might have been had they just not had a drink or went to the temple more, etc. This is what LDS doctrine was when I was a teenager and on my mission and still. The apologists won't admit it because being Mormon and more so with the apologists means that thou shalt not admit to doctrines that might be perceived by some in the christian world as troubling. Recently, Calm would not admit that the church is the one and only true church as stated in D&C 1:38. She actually said that life is like google maps, in that there are many paths that lead to the correct road. Nevertheless, privately, I am sure she believes Mormonism is no. 1 and believes in the worldview expressed in the book by Nephi Anderson.

[_Shulem]

The "sinning" that the man committed appears to have been done out of sorrow... So, like, drinking, maybe?

[_Bret Ripley]

"Signe did not thrill him, did not hold him spell-bound with her presence."

The bitch!

[_Lemmie]

"Signe did not thrill him, did not hold him spell-bound with her presence."

The bitch!

The good girls are like that. Or so I hear.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

I just started reading Added Upon. Here are my thoughts so far.

What a misogynistic piece of dookie. The book kind of reminds me of a less explicit version of At The Ocean by Timothy Berman (a.k.a. SeattleGhostWriter).
http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=18417

Even knowing Priestcraft Peter$on as well as I do, I'm still surprised he his recommending this book to people. What on earth is he thinking? Does he feel the misogynistic theme is going to resonate with people? Does he think it's an enjoyable read? I'm at a loss.

[_Doctor Scratch]

It’s interesting to think the way(s) that the Mopologists might think about Added Upon as a “missionary” tool. Of course, we know that it apparently “works” with hardcore TBMs: DCP has apparently been telling people about it in certain contexts, and it has seemingly been well-received. How well would this play in a more “open” setting, though? How sympathetic will people be to the LDS Church if they I know that their non-member family members and friends will have to suffer the way that the guy in the story suffers? I think I understand why DCP has basically “whitewashed “ any mention of this profoundly influential book from his more recent public utterances.

[_Gadianton]

Does he think it's an enjoyable read? I'm at a loss.

Did you miss this part of his essay?

Added Upon depicts a small group of characters as they move from the premortal existence through this life (where they come in contact with the gospel), into the spirit world, and beyond, into the resurrection and the millennium. I must have heard of such things before, but I had never previously had any notion of the richness, the sheer sweep and grandeur, of what we call “the plan of salvation.” It was, I realized, the most exciting thing I had ever encountered, the most magnificent vision of human destiny imaginable. And this sense of excitement has never left me.

"Enjoyable read" understates the recommendation severely.

[Guest]

DCP in 'Expressions of Faith' wrote:
I can believe in prophecy and revelation because I have, on my own small scale, experienced them. I have known things about the future that I could not possibly have known from any natural reading of the situation. I have felt the Lord speak through me and pronounce things (including a remarkable healing) that I, a cautious fellow, would never have said on my own. Indeed, I have been astonished and more than a little bit shocked to hear the words of the Lord come out of my mouth.

For what it is worth, this is a complete contradiction of what Dan argued with me, some years ago, on whether or not God (Elohim) was all knowing.

My argument was in regards to a shifting belief in LDS theology, that to some, like JFS...God was all knowing, yet to others, like BY, God was always learning.

Long story short, Dan’s answer to this was God was indeed all knowing, but he can’t possibly know the mind of man or what decisions man will make in the future by his agency, because they have not been made. In other words, God knows all things that are knowable, but the future of man is not knowable until it happens. Once it happens, then God knows it, and is therefore all knowing.

My answer was, in form of a question, “then how did Christ know Peter would betray him three times?” That’s when he called me a few names and bailed out of the conversation...but looking at what he wrote in his testimony, it is clear that he can know the future, but God can’t?

This gets deeper and makes certain demands on pre-destination and election, which get into Calvinism which he hates..but reading his testimony he is certainly mixed up