New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterlife

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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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; if they were given the opportunity to read source materials for themselves, would their opinions change at all?

That's clearly the reason DCP makes these accusations only on his blog, because there he he can fully control the responses.

Midgley may not realize it, but at least he intrinsically seems to get Peterson's problem with 'academic standards':
Louis Midgley > bfwebster • 16 hours ago

I rather prefer to attribute this kind a thing to something other than dishonesty. Bad toilet training, poor education, carelessness, haste, a failure to understand academic standards are other possible explanations that avoid attributing base motives to this sort of thing.
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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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Kiwi57 wrote:In their minds, it's perfectly fine to tell lies to and/or about their ideological targets, because they're just doing it to get a rise out of Dan.

These so-called "Mormon Discussioners" are maligning Dr. Peterson due to the grand principle of Lying for the Board.
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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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Gadianton wrote:Interestingly, Dr. Scratch cited the article properly, including a link to the book and noted the page numbers where the essay could be found. Note that up to just a few hours prior to the B.H. Chair's post, and this is really ironic given all of Midgley's conspiracy theories, the essay was readily available to cite directly at the Maxwell Institute's website, but either due to the faltering infrastructure or the upgrade that was happening (unbeknownst to the rest of the world) the link had become unreliable and led to an error page, otherwise no doubt the B.H. Robert's Chair would have linked to that source, I'm fairly certain. I would ask for those who might feel otherwise, if there are any examples whatsoever elsewhere, where Professor Scratch, who holds a Phd and carries himself in a sophisticated manner, has ever failed to offer citations regarding what he's commenting on, if such citations are possible?

Had the Old Guard taken better care of their data and not put so much effort into blocking the efforts of the New Guard to stabilize the archives, then a link would have been available for all who read the post, and that could have influenced how the OP was understood initially. As it stands, while Everybody Wang Chung's question was asked in quite a provocative manner, it did not rise to an accusation, and even included, twice, "I can't believe he would...", and then after Lemmie found another source somewhere, the issue was dropped entirely. An accusation was never made.

In contrast, for the readers at the 'the blog', there is no link or reference to the source of the controversy, this site, and those in the comment section are left to rely only on how the thread was portrayed by the staff writer. And the Joseph Fielding Smith scissors were brought into service liberally to represent the dialog that went on. I wonder, if those in the comment section so convinced of the unscrupulous nature of critics and their anger and hate; if they were given the opportunity to read source materials for themselves, would their opinions change at all?


Dean Robbers:

I appreciate your exceptionally diplomatic post, but I need to acknowledge that I could have done better. Reading the entry at "SeN," along with my Cassius colleagues' posts, leads me to believe that I could have done a better job of delineating the difference between the material that was authored by Joseph Smith, versus that which was authored by Daniel Peterson.

I have to admit: I was intrigued by the post he wrote. It's interesting that he took the time to pull the actual book off the shelf in order to take pictures of the pages in question. What stands out most to me, however, are his shoes:

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If ever you wanted proof of his claims that he's not "making money" off his apologetics, well, there it is, in all it's glory. Grimy, crappy-looking sneakers he's got going on there. (And am I wrong, or is it just the camera angle--but don't his feet look preternaturally *small*? Perhaps this--among other things--will be "corrected" in the Celestial Kingdom?) It's kind of interesting to think about how "learned" DCP claims to be, and yet he apparently never learned anything about job-appropriate male footwear. (Also, in a subsequent image, it appears that he--unsurprisingly--has dirty fingernails.)

Except that my initial impressions were all wrong. DCP later explains, via a caption:

DCP wrote:Thanks to my friend Mike Parker for kindly supplying these images. My own copy of “Expressions of Faith” is in a box somewhere in the basement of my house, in the aftermath of (not one but) two floods, from which I haven’t yet fully recovered.


Ah, okay. So, somebody from southern Utah who feels like a loser, and who has crappy, dirty, bargain-bin-style sneakers (yes, Mike Parker: *you* are the "Sister in Parowan"), is willing to put himself on the line--including exposing his social class and personal cleanliness--in front of the entire world just in the hopes of "earning" the Mopologists' approval. Notice that DCP waits to tell people who provided the pictures until late in the post. *He*--i.e., DCP--knows how easy it will be to make fun of these images. Do you think he cares? Peterson got roughly $15,000+ worth of free vacations these past few months. Is *that* why Parker wants to help him?

In any event, I think we ought to "give" this one to the Mopologists. I mean, hey: I admit that I could have been clearer. I don't think that Lemmie or Everybody Wang Chung should be accused of inaccuracy due to anything *I* did. Plus, the score is so lopsided. The thread on DCP's plagiarisms is approaching 50,000 views. Plus, there is Mr. Stak's devastating review of his (DCP's) use of Camus. And the fact that, as Symmachus pointed out, he (DCP) has not published a single peer-reviewed article for a scholarly audience. I'm glad for him to "score" a point.
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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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Sledge wrote:A HUGE glaring inaccuracy was just exposed here in this blog post, and what happened? They all brushed it off as "aw, we were just trolling." So, you can see why correcting inaccuracies would be an exercise in futility.


Here's one of the latest responses. Granted, Sledge is probably not the type who does his homework and most likely has never seen the board and is just taking Kiwi's speculations at face value. But it's interesting that the author of the article up-voted his comment, even though he has seen the board, and knows that not a single person on the board has brushed it off as trolling, let alone "they all". Interesting, given that the OP is about truth.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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Gadianton wrote:
Sledge wrote:A HUGE glaring inaccuracy was just exposed here in this blog post, and what happened? They all brushed it off as "aw, we were just trolling." So, you can see why correcting inaccuracies would be an exercise in futility.


Here's one of the latest responses. Granted, Sledge is probably not the type who does his homework and most likely has never seen the board and is just taking Kiwi's speculations at face value. But it's interesting that the author of the article up-voted his comment, even though he has seen the board, and knows that not a single person on the board has brushed it off as trolling, let alone "they all". Interesting, given that the OP is about truth.

Speaking of Sledge and his skewed opinion of this board:
....troll mills. Russian bots and far-right-wing racists are your company in that realm.
:lol: :lol:
I don't know enough about internet tropes to know where our friend the Poster Sledge is going with this comment, but it's not difficult at all to imagine them saying the above in a Bill Murray tone:

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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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Has DCP really not published anything with a non-Mormon scholarly peer review process?
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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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Stocks wrote:Has DCP really not published anything with a non-Mormon scholarly peer review process?

What helpful feedback would non-Mormons give for Mormon apologetic writings? Dr. Peterson did write a book for the popular press on Muhammad and there were positive reviews on the book jacket.
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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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moksha wrote:
Stocks wrote:Has DCP really not published anything with a non-Mormon scholarly peer review process?

What helpful feedback would non-Mormons give for Mormon apologetic writings? Dr. Peterson did write a book for the popular press on Muhammad and there were positive reviews on the book jacket.


Moksha is correct. The Mohammad book, as I understand it, was written for a popular audience (probably in the hopes of garnering more cash--but that's just speculation). Symmachus's point, which was correct, to my knowledge, is that DCP has never published an article for a scholarly audience. He claims publicly that he's "paid" to be a professor of Arabic studies, but how much of his daily, weekly, and monthly activities are devoted to that? Look at his blog: how much of it is connected to his alleged "work assignment"? And if you look at his publications, does that point to him being a Middle Eastern Studies professor, as he claims? Or does it imply something else?
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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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Dr. Shades >> Sledge 7 hours ago

So, a mistake counts as "filth?"


Dr. Shades, the mistake was on Peterson's end, not here.

I accurately noted he did not plagiarize, but Peterson still accused this board of saying he did. DP knows he is lying, but he is letting the lie stand, and he is letting his commenters continue to say so. It is utterly dishonest.
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Re: New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterli

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Incidentally, I'm still receiving really nasty and often foul and obscene anonymous emails from somebody who is clearly a swimmer in your cesspool. Every two to four days or so. Sometimes twice a day.

DP continues to say this, and has done so for as many years as I have been here. He never blocks the addresses, he never does anything about it through law enforcement, he never gives any proof. It's simply not credible.
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