New Insights into the Mopologetic Version of the Afterlife

[_Dr. Shades]

So, a mistake counts as "filth?"

Dr. Shades, the mistake was on Peterson's end, not here.

Ahh, I see. Thank you.

[_Physics Guy]

Would these cesspool-swimmer e-mails that Peterson gets perhaps be offering things like penis enlargement? Because if so, his complaint would be quite credible. I've been persecuted the same way for years. It's monstrous, I tell you.

The pills don't even work.

[_Lemmie]

Dr. Shades >> Sledge 7 hours ago

So, a mistake counts as "filth?"

Dr. Shades, the mistake was on Peterson's end, not here.

I accurately noted he did not plagiarize, but Peterson still accused this board of saying he did. DP knows he is lying, but he is letting the lie stand, and he is letting his commenters continue to say so. It is utterly dishonest.

Ahh, I see. Thank you.

No need to thank me here. My intention was only to correct the perceived inaccuracy there.

[_Gadianton]

Browsing through the increasingly meager offerings on Netflix today, I ran across "I am Mother". Looked cheesy but good enough to waste away the morning with. It turns out the movie is superb. I didn't know anything about the film before running across it today and I have not looked into its production, but it's hard for me to imagine this movie being made without some kind of Mormon influence. This movie nails Mormonism's "Plan of Salvation" in all its Social Darwinian glory that the apologists so heavily praise. It's basically "Added Upon" but with robots instead of God, self-awareness about its message, and of course, it's storytelling doesn't totally suck.

*semi-Major spoiler alert*

This movie is good enough that I would recommend viewing it first before reading further.

Everything is in here, including the Mormon take on life as a test, free agency and the need for opposition in all things, allowing temptation opportunistically, nurturing guidance, withholding information, lying, and killing; just as Heavenly Father likes it, in order to advance humanity to greater heights. For those who fell in love with the message in Added Upon, prepare to fall in love with an A.I. called "Mother".

One crucial difference between this movie and the book Added Upon, is that in the book, the characters only understand half of the lessons of Adam Smith on sentiment -- greed. They are shallow bunch of over-achievers who throw their own to the wolves without shedding a tear over minor infractions and ideological disagreements. No wonder the apologists were impressed! Added Upon primarily explores the impulse of the male hunter, whereas the movie's cast is entirely female, and explores the manipulation of stereotypical female impulses such as longing to connect with others and protecting one's family.

Perhaps my favorite part of the movie was Daughter apparently passing an exam on ethics. In the male, Nephi version of the test, Nephi resolves his ethical dilemma by lobbing off Laban's head, for the greater good -- for preserving great literature. In the movie, Daughter is asked what she should do when faced with the dilemma of harvesting a sick persons organs in order to save five lives. She doesn't answer it straightforwardly, but in a way that seemed to me to be key to preserving the lesson as a social-Darwinian one rather than merely as the bitter pill of vanilla act utilitarianism. This assured that she was on the right path, the path of Nephi of old.

The apologists might have a problem with the feminine themes explored and worry about social engineering absent any priesthood authority, but I recommend keeping an open mind, as there is a great opportunity here to add a host of rich horrors to their frightful Plan of Salvation. It's already bad enough, I admit, but let's not allow pride to block it from becoming even more horrifying.

[_mentalgymnast]

Browsing through the increasingly meager offerings on Netflix today, I ran across "I am Mother"....Everything is in here, including the Mormon take on life as a test, free agency and the need for opposition in all things, allowing temptation opportunistically, nurturing guidance, withholding information, lying, and killing; just as Heavenly Father likes it, in order to advance humanity to greater heights. For those who fell in love with the message in Added Upon, prepare to fall in love with an A.I. called "Mother".

I watched this a while back. Yes, it's definitely worth the watch. I didn't really like the ending though. Be that as it may, I would simply take issue with part of what you say. I don't know that the major character, excluding mother, had any real sense of free agency. Her life was a regimented set of do's and don'ts without other meaningful choices. She didn't experience opposition in all things.

We do. That's a BIG difference.

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

Browsing through the increasingly meager offerings on Netflix today, I ran across "I am Mother"....Everything is in here, including the Mormon take on life as a test, free agency and the need for opposition in all things, allowing temptation opportunistically, nurturing guidance, withholding information, lying, and killing; just as Heavenly Father likes it, in order to advance humanity to greater heights. For those who fell in love with the message in Added Upon, prepare to fall in love with an A.I. called "Mother".

I watched this a while back. Yes, it's definitely worth the watch. I didn't really like the ending though. Be that as it may, I would simply take issue with part of what you say. I don't know that the major character, excluding mother, had any real sense of free agency. Her life was a regimented set of do's and don'ts without other meaningful choices. She didn't experience opposition in all things.

We do. That's a BIG difference.

Regards,
MG

When did you watch this? And “No opposition”? Are you sure you watched the same movie??

[_mentalgymnast]

When did you watch this? And “No opposition”? Are you sure you watched the same movie??

It would have been three or four weeks ago maybe? Yep, same movie.

Very sterile environment for this girl who had been raised from babyhood by and A.I. robot. Days, weeks, months, and years were a regimented series of same ol' same ol'. The opposition didn't come until there came a visitor from the outside of the facility that she was trapped in. Of course she didn't know she was trapped until she was told she was by the outsider. She had been living in a state of innocence.

Kind of like Adam and Eve.

Regards,
MG

[_Gadianton]

Her life was a regimented set of do's and don'ts without other meaningful choices. She didn't experience opposition in all things

***spoiler***

Like Lemmie, I suspect you didn't follow it. The older girl who was implied to have been a previous embryo from the facility and a "fallen angel", provided precisely the opposition Heavenly Father provides by allowing Satan to tempt us, so that we can make "meaningful choices".

Her choices were "meaningful" in the very sense ours are "meaningful" in Heavenly Father's plan.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

By an A.I. robot?

I thought the whole thing was an allegory for God and Mother Earth.

- Doc

[_Gadianton]

The opposition didn't come until there came a visitor from the outside of the facility that she was trapped i

The part that went over your head is this was a set-up by the A.I.. This was the "real" test.