Satanic victories now deemed "Acceptable"

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Satanic victories now deemed "Acceptable"

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Handbook 2 wrote:When referring to Church members, it is preferable to use the phrase “members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” As a shortened reference, “Latter-day Saints” is preferred and “Mormons” is acceptable.
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The word Mormon will continue to be used in proper names like the Book of Mormon. It will also continue to be used as an adjective in phrases such as “Mormon pioneers.” In addition, it may be necessary to use the word Mormon to identify the Church as it is commonly known in some countries.

See 21.1.34 - Referring to the Church and its Members

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I believe it’s called “walking back...”
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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The handbook now reads a lot softer than the original message and style guide...

The official name of the Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The full name was given by revelation from God to Joseph Smith in 1838.

In the first reference, the full name of the Church is preferred: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

When a shortened reference is needed, the terms "the Church" or the "Church of Jesus Christ" are encouraged. The "restored Church of Jesus Christ" is also accurate and encouraged.

While the term "Mormon Church" has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use. Thus, please avoid using the abbreviation "LDS" or the nickname "Mormon" as substitutes for the name of the Church, as in "Mormon Church," "LDS Church," or "Church of the Latter-day Saints."

When referring to Church members, the terms "members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," "Latter-day Saints,” "members of the Church of Jesus Christ" and "members of the restored Church of Jesus Christ" are preferred. We ask that the term "Mormons" and "LDS" not be used.

"Mormon" is correctly used in proper names such as the Book of Mormon or when used as an adjective in such historical expressions as "Mormon Trail."

The term "Mormonism" is inaccurate and should not be used. When describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the term "the restored gospel of Jesus Christ" is accurate and preferred.

When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, it should be stated that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not affiliated with polygamous groups.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/style-guide

Another revelatory u-turn?
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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I have a question wrote:Another revelatory u-turn?

What's funny is Scott Lloyd was just going crazy in a discussion over on MD&D stating this name change was a "revelation" that Russell M. Nelson received.

Within a day or so, Kate Kelly announced this change in the handbook on Facebook and now I'm seeing discussions on several forums about it. They are terming it a "softening" and it's now a "policy" or "guideline" (NOT a revelation).

Scott's been silent about this once it was established it was true (he first wrote "I think you may be looking at outdated content.") :lol:
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I’m hearing that this was merely an oversight, or not so much an oversight as a gradual weaning. Intention is to have the permissive language phased out in a future handbook update.

Satan’s victory days are numbered!

:rolleyes:
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I wonder if the church is in this guy's power now?

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Naw. It was all a ruse folks and once Nelson is gone to where he can find out the truth about the nonsense he has been teaching all these years, the replacement leaders will walk his "revelation" back further.
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Madison54 wrote:
I have a question wrote:Another revelatory u-turn?

What's funny is Scott Lloyd was just going crazy in a discussion over on MD&D stating this name change was a "revelation" that Russell M. Nelson received.

Yeah that was in a discussion with me. We all know it's a temporary issue to appease the new guy in the job. Asking people to stop identifying as Mormon is a big deal and I know a lot of people who took it very seriously and corrected friends and family at every opportunity.

If we are all honest we know it's going to slowly disappear after Nelson's passing and we'll pretend like it never was called a revelation.

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Phaedrus Ut wrote: Yeah that was in a discussion with me.

And....it looks like he's back to argue that again? Give it up Scott. :neutral:
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Can't fight the College football fan

Seems that the whole Cougar Nation and all of College Football are out to kill poor Rusty the Tin Man. see https://www.ksl.com/article/46641420/mo ... ldnt-stick

Mormon Manziel nickname for Zach Wilson "But the nickname may be a bit of a misnomer — and not just because KSL style replaces most references of "Mormon" with "members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" or "Latter-day Saints," depending on the context, since an October 2018 talk by church President Russell M. Nelson during general conference asked media to do so. While Wilson and Manziel have some similarities, the two are also different types of dual-threat quarterbacks."
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"The term "Mormonism" is inaccurate and should not be used. When describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the term "the restored gospel of Jesus Christ" is accurate and preferred."

That's blatantly offensive to every other Christian faith.

I have a question wrote:The handbook now reads a lot softer than the original message and style guide...

The official name of the Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The full name was given by revelation from God to Joseph Smith in 1838.

In the first reference, the full name of the Church is preferred: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

When a shortened reference is needed, the terms "the Church" or the "Church of Jesus Christ" are encouraged. The "restored Church of Jesus Christ" is also accurate and encouraged.

While the term "Mormon Church" has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use. Thus, please avoid using the abbreviation "LDS" or the nickname "Mormon" as substitutes for the name of the Church, as in "Mormon Church," "LDS Church," or "Church of the Latter-day Saints."

When referring to Church members, the terms "members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," "Latter-day Saints,” "members of the Church of Jesus Christ" and "members of the restored Church of Jesus Christ" are preferred. We ask that the term "Mormons" and "LDS" not be used.

"Mormon" is correctly used in proper names such as the Book of Mormon or when used as an adjective in such historical expressions as "Mormon Trail."

The term "Mormonism" is inaccurate and should not be used. When describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the term "the restored gospel of Jesus Christ" is accurate and preferred.

When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, it should be stated that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not affiliated with polygamous groups.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/style-guide

Another revelatory u-turn?
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