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mentalgymnast wrote:

Morley wrote:
Where did Stem point you out, 'in particular,' for being elitist or holier-than-thou?

Stem:
I mean any way you slice it it sounds like hell. But for those who want to be above the others...well, I suppose it's made for you.

I suppose it's possible that I'm not included at this 'party', but I took it to be guilt by association. I suppose Stem might have been a bit more explicit and/or exact in his speech and say whether he believes that I consider myself to be one of those 'holier than thou' types. The reason I even bring it up, to your consternation, is that I don't want go to THAT party.

Since he and I were having the conversation together I was concerned he might be referring to me.

So, what you're saying is that you were wrong when you accused Stem of pointing you out 'in particular.' Okay.

mentalgymnast wrote:

Morley wrote:

What does conceding any of that have to do with idea that most LDS Church members (and authorities) seem to believe that obedience and morality are roughly the same thing?

It looks like the obedience drum is being beat again, as though there is something inherently wrong with following the commandments?

That this is somehow immoral?

It's not a drum.

And, no, obedience is not immoral. Neither is it moral. It's just obedience and should not be confused with morality. That's the point.

Drinking Snapple ice tea is not immoral. Not drinking it might be obedience. And it's okay either way.

Abraham went to sacrifice his son, Isaac. Though supposedly obedient to God, I think that action was immoral.

I'm guessing that you, MG, don't. Because obedience.

mentalgymnast wrote:

fetchface wrote:
The truth is, the church doesn't want Christ-like members.

That's just bullsh**.

Things...and perceptions...really change when you jump off the boat, don't they?

Regards,
MG

That's the idea. Freedom from the bullsh** of Mormonism.

Morley wrote:So, what you're saying is that you were wrong when you accused Stem of pointing you out 'in particular.' Okay.

No. Not quite. Go back and read for meaning.

We don't have to keep going down this road though...

Do we?

There is a club, of sorts, that people are joining around here recently. Although I can't say that it hasn't existed all along. It's called "The Mountain Out of a Molehill Club". Wanna join?

There are at least two others that seem to have expressed interest, at least by their behavior/actions, in a club of that sort. They might like to join in with you. With three there could be a President...I think that's taken...a Vice President...and lacky. Jump in fast if you want to be in a leadership position rather than a lacky.

Regards,
MG

Maksutov wrote:

mentalgymnast wrote:That's just bullsh**.

Things...and perceptions...really change when you jump off the boat, don't they?

Regards,
MG

That's the idea. Freedom from the bullsh** of Mormonism.

Is that guy still responding to me? What a waste of keystrokes. I have him on ignore.

And what a perfect example of why. He takes my statement out of context and expresses his faux outrage at it, but the truth is I'm right. The leaders of the LDS church don't want members going around calling them on their hypocrisy like Jesus called his leaders out. LDS church leaders don't want members to behave like Jesus and analyze their behavior critically. They want obedient sheep who never criticize them.

He knows I'm right so he has to quote me with context removed and rage at me, but he knows I'm right.

fetchface wrote:The truth is, the church doesn't want Christ-like members.

MG wrote:That's just bullsh**.

from another thread:

MG wrote:Your way or the highway, right? No other points of view are acceptable or even worth a serious look. I think you may have taken things a bit TOO seriously.

hmmm....

fetchface wrote:The truth is, the church doesn't want Christ-like members.

MG wrote:That's just bullsh**.

Gadianton wrote:from another thread:

MG wrote:Your way or the highway, right? No other points of view are acceptable or even worth a serious look. I think you may have taken things a bit TOO seriously.

hmmm....

You need to careful, Dean Robbers. MG does not like to be held to the things he actually says.

mentalgymnast wrote:We don't have to keep going down this road though...

Do we?

Absolutely not. Just address some other issue. For instance, you could explain how, in the LDS Church, obedience and morality are different. Or why they’re the same thing.

Or you could respond to the cogent posts of any number of other posters.