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Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:36 pm
by _huckelberry
mentalgymnast wrote:DoubtingThomas wrote:
...and he eliminated apologetics too. He said, "Excessive reliance on personal teachings or speculations may even draw us aside from concentrating on learning and efforts that will further our understanding and help us go forward on the covenant path."
...stop recommending things that are not approved by the church.
If you had actually listened to this podcast you wouldn't have said this.
Regards,
MG
My computer sound system died so I am not going to hear a pod cast. It makes me consider that if the matter was clear it probably could be presented in written sentences.
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:56 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
So, is conversion therapy doctrinal or simply the teachings of man?
- Doc
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:28 am
by _Philo Sofee
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:So, is conversion therapy doctrinal or simply the teachings of man?
- Doc
They will probably resort to saying something else stupid like oh science confirms Mormonism, therefore it only takes one of us on that one.
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:47 am
by _mentalgymnast
huckelberry wrote:My computer sound system died so I am not going to hear a pod cast. It makes me consider that if the matter was clear it probably could be presented in written sentences.
Here is the transcript.
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/e/a/7/ea7517b ... c1510fad84Regards,
MG
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:51 am
by _mentalgymnast
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:So, is conversion therapy doctrinal or simply the teachings of man?
- Doc
What do you think?
Regards,
MG
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:10 am
by _moksha
How would this affect the unwritten doctrines (the tithing must flow) and policies (oppose LGBTQ rights whenever you can get away with it) that have been claimed by some of the Brethren?
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:53 pm
by _mentalgymnast
moksha wrote:How would this affect the unwritten doctrines (the tithing must flow) and policies (oppose LGBTQ rights whenever you can get away with it) that have been claimed by some of the Brethren?
Tithing is considered to be a 'law unto the church'. It's not a salvific doctrine. LGBTQ policies are just that. Policies. At the foundation of those policies, however, are some settled salvific doctrines involving family relationships in the eternities.
Regards,
MG
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:16 pm
by _Dr Moore
mentalgymnast wrote:Tithing is considered to be a 'law unto the church'. It's not a salvific doctrine.
I am very confused by this statement. Which of the 15 apostles disagrees that Tithing is a requirement to receive saving ordinances? Which of them would disagree that Tithing is doctrinal teaching and requirement to qualify for the blessings of eternal life?
mentalgymnast wrote:LGBTQ policies are just that. Policies. At the foundation of those policies, however, are some settled salvific doctrines involving family relationships in the eternities.
This statement is loaded with problems which unfortunately culminate in church leaders being unreliable sources of doctrine and policy.
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:51 pm
by _Lemmie
Dr Moore wrote:mentalgymnast wrote:Tithing is considered to be a 'law unto the church'. It's not a salvific doctrine.
I am very confused by this statement. Which of the 15 apostles disagrees that Tithing is a requirement to receive saving ordinances? Which of them would disagree that Tithing is doctrinal teaching and requirement to qualify for the blessings of eternal life?
mentalgymnast wrote:LGBTQ policies are just that. Policies. At the foundation of those policies, however, are some settled salvific doctrines involving family relationships in the eternities.
This statement is loaded with problems which unfortunately culminate in church leaders being unreliable sources of doctrine and policy.
I don’t get the tithing comment either. According to the article mg linked to earlier in this thread:
Doctrine is what the current prophets, seers, and revelators are teaching. They include eternal, essential truths necessary for our salvation...
On LDS.org, the nine basic doctrines of the Church are listed...
And in the nine basic doctrines , “pay a full tithe” is part of Doctrine #9.
Also, from the lds.org site, under Doctrine 7:
Some ordinances are essential to exaltation and are called saving ordinances....
Other saving ordinances include ordination to the Melchizedek Priesthood (for men), the temple endowment, and the marriage sealing (see D&C 131:1–4)....
So marriage sealing is “essential to exaltation.”
From Doctrine 8:
Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God....
The earth was created and the gospel was revealed so that families could be formed, sealed, and exalted eternally...
So if we can take this lds.org Doctrine page seriously, it’s pretty clear that lgbtq policies are not ‘just policies’.
Link to the lds.org Doctrines page:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/ ... f?lang=eng
Re: It's not doctrine unless all 15 of us teach it. Oaks.
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:20 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
MG is the Mormon equivalent of a flower girl tossing petals from her basket. Except the petals are bits of turds, and responsible adults are constantly having to pick up after him. I’ll tell you what the only consistent doctrines that have been in place since its inception are:
Pay
Pray
Obey
Everything else is up for negotiation.
- Doc