"Sic et Non" is "Triggered" at Mention of the Maxwell Inst.

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Re: "Sic et Non" is "Triggered" at Mention of the Maxwell In

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I think it's worth mentioning that Dr. Detroit is now being threatened with censorship:

Dr. Detroit wrote:Sic et Non Haiku

It's Dan's living room
Everyone is invited
Many are kicked out

Daniel Peterson wrote:Very, very few have been kicked out.

But you're very close to being given a few days off.

I dunno. Would YOU keep admitting a person into YOUR living room who continually sneered at you and routinely insulted you?

I'm quite patient and tolerant. But not infinitely so.

I'd love to see the actual evidence of Dr. D.'s "continual sneering" and "routine insults." What are they? DCP would never cite them or announce them, because he believes that his opinions are beyond question. Whatever the case may be, the chorus of Mopologists comes roaring in:

Ideeho wrote:If Detroit had anything of worth to say, maybe. But he is not here to discuss or share or educate. He is here to tear down, mock and degrade.

Louis Midgley wrote:At last this is time for Dunce DD to be given the boot.

Luckily, Dr. Detroit still has a sense of humor (or, at least, he has one that is actually funny, as compared with the blog's proprietor, whose humor seems to have stopped evolving sometime in the early 1980s):

Dr. Detroit wrote:Dan wrote: “I dunno. Would YOU keep admitting a person into YOUR living room who continually sneered at you and routinely insulted you?”

I guess the answer is yes, because I keep coming back here despite daily insults and personal attacks by Midgley, kiwi, you and others.

Ouch.
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An interesting development. Roughly 20 hours ago--perhaps in response to this thread, actually, Dr. Peterson announced that he was banning Dr. Detroit for a few days:

Daniel Peterson wrote:
Dr. Detroit wrote:Dan wrote: “I dunno. Would YOU keep admitting a person into YOUR living room who continually sneered at you and routinely insulted you?”

I guess the answer is yes, because I keep coming back here despite daily insults and personal attacks by Midgley, kiwi, you and others.

LOL. Nice try, DD.

But the person "admitting" and the person "coming" are, quite plainly, different persons.

The stunningly disingenuous transmogrification that you and VB attempted on my "Crossings" post (https://www.patheos.com/blo... which, despite your efforts, simply CANNOT reasonably be construed as an expression of my alleged misogyny, racism, and anger, was very revealing.

And, coupled with that, this response of yours earns you a few days off!

So: censorship over Dr. D.'s sense of humor. Of course, as Dr. Shades, Dr. Moore, Dr. LOD, and countless others can attest, bannings aren't exactly an uncommon occurrent on "Sic et Non." That said, you may remember that Shades and others expressed puzzlement over the fact that, despite the message telling them they were banned, they were still able to post. Meaning, I guess, that Dr. Peterson *did* attempt to ban them, but the Disqus system is broken, and so the banning failed! LOL! Indeed, Dr. Detroit was still posting clever limericks scarcely 6 hours ago:

Dr. Detroit wrote:Martin's Groove

There once was a curious guy
Who saw the plates with a spiritual eye
He liked changing religions
Could not make decisions
In Clarksville alone and destitute he would die

It would appear, then, that either Dr. Peterson was bluffing when he said he would ban Dr. Det., or that the Disqus "ban" option doesn't work. You make the call! I'm personally going with the latter option. If I'm right, and you are somebody who got that same "You are banned" message that Shades linked to, then you can probably feel certain that Dr. Peterson came unhinged in a fit of rage and banned you....But the button doesn't work! LOL!!!
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Meaning, I guess, that Dr. Peterson *did* attempt to ban them, but the Disqus system is broken, and so the banning failed!

Either that or the ban was placed, reversed quickly, and the reversal got gummed up. Dr. Detroit has been banned for a few days at a time in the past.

Another possibility, is that they don't really want to ban him. I mean, they do, but since the whole point of the blog is to troll the cyber world and engage in combat, without a larger supply of dissenters, they've got to live with what they've got.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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The last remaining theory was that somehow the toothless ban message was due to something on my or Shades client devices. A cache artifact or perhaps an IP address issue. The latter I ruled out because I get the message from mobile phone or PC on totally different networks. I tested the former theory this morning.

My original Dr. Moore account continues to display a red welcome banner each time I attempt to post a comment. Note that clicking the Post as Dr. Moore button does indeed work.

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From that same location on the page, without changing anything else on my computer (no windows closed, no file operations, nothing), I logged out, and then used the same drop down menu to join the discussion by logging in again, this time through the 1-click new Disqus account option. For this new account I named the avatar "Dr Moore" without the "." and I used a different Gmail address. The comment bar now supplies me no warnings. I am once again an invisible ordinary citizen insofar as the blog is concerned.

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In the spirit of moving forward, I chose let the whole public banning-gate spectacle fade away, but as you bring it up again here, back in early September I was able to make contact with a product support person at Disqus named Kenneth Lui. That alone was an arduous task... Disqus actively hides its people from pesky users. Not only is there no listed Disqus phone number anywhere online, but email contact was possible only after by working downward through a labyrinth of employees at the parent company, Zeta Global.

Anyway, this is what Kenneth wrote in response to my query as to whether or not he could identify any ban flags or records on my Disqus account.

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So it would appear that any banning messages displayed due to a "glitch" would exist only in the application database or Disqus integration database at Patheos, managed by individual site moderators. And as it relates to specific users being banned and unbanned, the only person with access to those records would be the moderator.

My best guess is that the integration between Patheos and Disqus has an issue, and that's why some of us continue to appear banned even though we no longer are.

One idea, and this is just one, is that the ban was so short lived that one or more of the related application databases didn't update in time (perhaps bans are updated hourly in the Disqus database, but immediately effected on Patheos, for instance), leaving a display artifact that doesn't register with the logic behind the "Post as" button. Again, that's just one possibility. To rule that one out, I would pick a random SeN user, ban them for 1 minute and then unban. Try again for 15 minutes, an hour, a day. See what happens. But as Disqus keeps no records of bans, only the moderators of each site can answer the question of whether or not someone was ever banned.

But unfortunately, since Disqus is a horribly outdated product with no support, debugging is a fools errand. The better solution is for Patheos to just bring in a better chat product, one with a real support line for starters.
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Gadianton wrote:
Meaning, I guess, that Dr. Peterson *did* attempt to ban them, but the Disqus system is broken, and so the banning failed!

Either that or the ban was placed, reversed quickly, and the reversal got gummed up....

If I recall correctly, I’ve seen a couple of stories where a permanent ban was placed, then undone, but even though one can post the message never goes away. It seems to be only an issue with overturning a permanent ban, not the timeout or limited bans.

Probably a Disqus glitch. Were permanent bans not originally reversible? When they made them reversible, maybe somebody forgot to include coding to remove the message.
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Interesting. A troubleshooting step would be to request the admin to re-ban them for a couple days and then un-ban them.

Of course, to even consider going down that path might put the incident in this year's top 10.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Gadianton wrote:Interesting. A troubleshooting step would be to request the admin to re-ban them for a couple days and then un-ban them.

Of course, to even consider going down that path might put the incident in this year's top 10.

Exactly. How many times has Peterson argued he hasn't banned someone? If the person has the message but now can post. then Peterson at some point banned them. He lied.
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Speaking of being triggered by the Maxwell Institute, what did Midgley do that caused Jerry Bradford to tell Midgley he was a “nasty old man”?

Louis Midgley DanielPeterson • 3 hours ago

Dan: BrianN, whoever that is, may have very good reason for hating older people. He may have had to deal with parents, and teachers, even professors, and he might even had to deal with a Bishop or two, or even a Mission President, or police officers, and judges, and even a warden in a jail or two. Who knows why he knows about me being a Grumpy Old Man (GOM).

I have had to deal with this sort of thing before. Even Jerry Bradford was sure that I had become something of a Nasty Old Man (NOM), which seems a bit worse that merely being a grumpy old man (GOM)....

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 4682868826

Given Midgley’s propensity toward potty mouth expressions, this doesn’t surprise me, but I do wonder how disgusting one has to behave for one’s superior to feel the need to tell you that you are becoming “a nasty old man”? Especially when this is the person who effectively fired Midgley after Peterson was removed?
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Dr Moore wrote:But unfortunately, since Disqus is a horribly outdated product with no support, debugging is a fools errand. The better solution is for Patheos to just bring in a better chat product, one with a real support line for starters.

Perhaps Patheos could use the LDS-run World Table. :smile:
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DCP wrote:Tonight’s book for discussion was Melissa Wei-Tsing Inouye’s eminently discussable Crossings: A Bald Asian American Woman Scholar’s Ventures through Life, Death, Cancer & Motherhood (Not Necessarily in That Order) (Salt Lake City: Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship and Deseret Book, 2019).

Happily, Melissa herself was able to come for the discussion. (She has now left her most recent teaching position at the University of Auckland in New Zealand and is working for the Historical Department of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.) She is a remarkable person on multiple levels, and her book is remarkable.

Thank you for this reference and recommendation. Along with that, I would suggest listening to this presentation by Dr. Inouye:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG0jQ1G0lCo

An amazing individual. I think it is a wonderful thing that the church has become what it is and has been able to retain folks such as Dr. Inouye within its ranks of believers.

Regards,
MG
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