Uchtdorf with yet another tall tale. This time lung disease.

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Uchtdorf with yet another tall tale. This time lung disease.

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In social media posts this week, members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles shared lessons learned from delivering laundry, delivering food, and returning their roots, among other messages.

When Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles was an 11-year-old boy living in West Germany, his parents operated a small laundry business and he became a laundry delivery boy. For several years, he would cart the laundry using his bike to make deliveries.

“Sometimes the cart seemed so heavy and the work so tiring that I thought my lungs would burst, and I often had to stop to catch my breath,” Elder Uchtdorf wrote in an Oct. 27 Instagram post. “Nevertheless, I did my part because I knew we desperately needed the income as a family, and it was my way to contribute.”

Years later, when he decided to join the Air Force, the doctors who examined him told him he had scars on his lungs from a lung disease in his teenage years that he had recovered from.

“Until the day of that examination I had never known that I had any kind of lung disease,” he wrote. He soon realized that exercise as a laundry boy had been a key factor in treating this illness. “Without the extra effort of pedaling that heavy bicycle day in and day out, I might never have become a jet fighter pilot and later a 747 airline captain.”

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His tale seems to be chronologically illogical. He claims delivering laundry at age 11 treated a lung disease he unknowingly contracted as a teenager. Surely if delivering laundry at age 11 had been good for his lungs, he wouldn’t have contracted a lung disease years later as a teenager...Perhaps all that strain on his young lungs made them more susceptible to the lung disease he would later unknowingly contract?
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Can't let science get in the way of a good story. :lol:
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How the Hell would military entrance examiners know that he had scars inside his lungs??
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As a Military Pilot I can assure you that Mr. Uchtdorf is over simplifying his remembrance.

First, all Student Pilots in the Military have to pass a Class I flight physical. As such, no previous undiagnosed illness or medical conduction is just waived through. Mr. Uchtdorf would have had to go before a Medical Review Board (MRB) to determine the cause, condition and diagnostics of his "Scarred" lungs. The cause of the scarring would be the first concern of the MRB since it was undiagnosed and therefore untreated and not assessed by a medical professional as to the damage done to the Bronchial system.

Second, a Class I flight physical is the hardest to obtain. Once a Military Pilot finishes flight school, they are only required to have a Class II flight physical. I had lots of friends that were disqualified from Flight school for failing a Class I flight physical for broken bones (pinned), asthma, color blindness, removed internal organs such as gall bladder, thyroid, etc. and as silly as height.

No Mr. Uchtdorf, the Military doctor didn't say "oops, seems like you had an owiee on your lungs, but that's okay, Mormon man god and Mormon bastard jebus made it all better, welcome to fight school."

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I"m feeling less skeptical. I don't know that German Air Force in the 1950s carried the same practices as the US in 60s or 70s or 80s or 90s, or even 50s. That is to say I think it quite possible they did testing on him enough to learn that he had scarring in his lungs. I also can imagine a climate in which they didn't see that as necessarily problematic if they felt he was sufficiently recovered.

"He claims delivering laundry at age 11 treated a lung disease he unknowingly contracted as a teenager. Surely if delivering laundry at age 11 had been good for his lungs, he wouldn’t have contracted a lung disease years later as a teenager...Perhaps all that strain on his young lungs made them more susceptible to the lung disease he would later unknowingly contract?"

Actually the story suggests he started delivering laundry at 11 and did so for years afterward. He seems to be claiming that his biking in his teenage years helped him overcome the disease that he didn't even know he had. I don't know if there is anyway to know for sure what cured the disease. I suppose the biking likely helped.
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The gist of what Uchtdorf is trying to convey is that obedience to the grown ups, even when it’s hard, will be miraculously rewarded. Ergo, do what he and his 14 colleagues tell you, even if you don’t agree with it, don’t like it, find it hard etc and at some point in the future you’ll look back and see you were rewarded. He wants you on the bike, peddling hard, and not asking questions.
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Dieter- if all you got is a 60 year old story, you fail!

How about the time you picked up the homeless guy in front of the Joseph Smith building and took him to ER,found out he had TB then paid or had the church cover his treatment? Don't remember that one? Neither do we! Well how bout the time you told that homeless guy to "have a nice day"? ring a bell?

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Dr. Shades wrote:How the Hell would military entrance examiners know that he had scars inside his lungs??

X-rays. Perhaps he had something like walking pneumonia when he was younger.
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I have a question wrote:The gist of what Uchtdorf is trying to convey is that obedience to the grown ups, even when it’s hard, will be miraculously rewarded. Ergo, do what he and his 14 colleagues tell you, even if you don’t agree with it, don’t like it, find it hard etc and at some point in the future you’ll look back and see you were rewarded. He wants you on the bike, peddling hard, and not asking questions.


Another criticizing the Brethren post. Yay.

Can't you just take him at his word?

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Because had he sacrificed his health to serve others, that wouldn't have had a gospel message, right?
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