?????gone missing?????? Or just ?????buried before dead??????

[_Stem]

Peterson doubles down.

DanielPeterson Mod David B • 14 minutes ago

David B: "I honestly don't know how you seriously disagree that despise and hate are not synonyms."

I've said nothing about that question.

David B: "The amount of hate coming out of GQ Cannon's quotation is not something easily dismissed either."

[DCP:] I see none.

You're misreading him. Egregiously.



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David B DanielPeterson • 5 minutes ago

Nope. But seeing as you are digging in your heels, I'll just note coming from one who is outside looking in, most members do not realize how vile they are being, as they do so. That you don't see it, doesn't surprise.

Peterson then asserts that if people leave his church, and by his assumption only are possibly vocal and public about their decision, that LDS members have are justified in reacting with divisive hatred:

DanielPeterson Mod David B • 9 minutes ago

David B: "Which person who has left is a human wreck? If you can name one, consider: He's not saying one leaver is, but all leavers are. He's not saying that only some incur God's displeasure but all do."

And I agree with him. Believing the claims of the Restoration to be true, I cannot regard rejection of those claims as anything other than unfortunate and regrettable.

David B: "Curious how you can be so cavalier and rather dismissive."

I'm neither cavalier nor dismissive at such cases. I'm profoundly saddened by them.

David B: "I will add this hits me at quite a time. I have family members who have been adamantly and obvious in their anger and hatred."

I'm sorry to hear it. But, just as you hope that they will treat you more charitably, you should try to show them some charity, too. Your vocal departure from the faith and your public rejection of it has certainly caused them considerable pain and real awkwardness around you. Their reactions stem from that, do they not?

(note that David b. said nothing about being vocal or public. Peterson has to assume that to justify his hate.)

I feel for David B’s situation, as I have similar challenges. It’s sad that a religion fosters such hatred toward others, including family members. Peterson exacerbates that with every blog entry like this he puts up. It’s shameful behavior that emphasizes that for some LDS, families are NOT forever, and some family members deserve hate, dismissal, and scorn. It’s an LDS position that reflects the very worst of human society. This LDS mindset has done huge damage in my family. It is inexcusable.

I could not help myself but persevere a bit in the discussion. It only got more and more disappointing as it went on though.

It was revealing, really.

[_Fence Sitter]

Maybe Dr's Peterson & Midgley assume that people who have left the church all act the same way they did when they left the M.I.?

[_Lemmie]

Stem:

I could not help myself but persevere a bit in the discussion. It only got more and more disappointing as it went on though.

It was revealing, really.

I know. I was touched by your comments about your family. I have a similar situation and can empathize completely. My heart goes out to you.

[Guest]

Peterson cannot help himself.

DanielPeterson Mod David B • 39 minutes ago


I oppose hateful rhetoric and actions, too.


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David B DanielPeterson • 38 minutes ago

Then it'd be wise to not think of those who leave the faith as human wrecks.


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DanielPeterson Mod David B • 18 minutes ago

That's only one way of thinking of them. And it's true even from my point of view only in a very limited (but not unimportant) sense.

Moreover, these are GQC's words from well over a century ago, not mine. I wouldn't use the expression myself.

Nineteenth-century rhetoric is different than twenty-first-century rhetoric.

That said, I don't read him the way you do. I simply don't.

Peterson wouldn’t use the expression “human wrecks” himself. Although he goes on to note that it is TRUE that those who leave his church are “human wrecks.”

[_Lemmie]

Peterson on the Cannon quote.

DanielPeterson Mod David B • an hour ago

It's not "hateful prose."

David B DanielPeterson • an hour ago

Sure it's hateful. Endorsing it only contributes to the very problems of divisiveness that tends to crop up between members and those who leave. It's too bad you don't see that.

Maybe someday.


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DanielPeterson Mod David B • 35 minutes ago • edited

I don't see it....

[_Lemmie]

Dr. VelhoBurrinho • 37 minutes ago

“Buried before they died”

An apt description of the shunning that sometimes takes place. I think another way some people say it is "they are dead to me" either way not very christian behavior.


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DanielPeterson Mod Dr. VelhoBurrinho • 26 minutes ago

Latter-day Saints don't practice "shunning"; the Amish do.

that’s a lie.

[_Mormonicious]

Funny DCP but REAL Mormon Prophets and Apostles teach differently.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... g?lang=eng

The following quotation appears in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith during his service as Church historian and recorder: “When a seal is put upon the father and mother, it secures their posterity, so that they cannot be lost, but will be saved by virtue of the covenant of their father and mother.”2

“The Prophet Joseph Smith declared—and he never taught more comforting doctrine—that the eternal sealings of faithful parents and the divine promises made to them for valiant service in the Cause of Truth, would save not only themselves, but likewise their posterity. Though some of the sheep may wander, the eye of the Shepherd is upon them, and sooner or later they will feel the tentacles of Divine Providence reaching out after them and drawing them back to the fold. Either in this life or the life to come, they will return. They will have to pay their debt to justice; they will suffer for their sins; and may tread a thorny path; but if it leads them at last, like the penitent Prodigal, to a loving and forgiving father’s heart and home, the painful experience will not have been in vain. Pray for your careless and disobedient children; hold on to them with your faith. Hope on, trust on, till you see the salvation of God.”3

STUPID damned Mormons, Making up doctrine, changing with the wind and every other unholy and impure practice.

All HAIL Google GOD (who found this teaching for me) and her son eBay and the Holy Toaster youtube.

[_Kishkumen]

I don’t see the point in dredging up these prejudiced statements about leave-takers. I am not surprised such statements were made, but I don’t find them valuable. I don’t know any ex-Mos who are wrecks because they are ex-Mos. There are people who are having a rough go of it. They can be Mos, never-Mos, or ex-Mos. We should be there to pick them up, not diagnose them as deficient because they made the “wrong” religious choice.

[_Gadianton]

lol. Just in case it isn't clear to anyone, this post was constructed entirely for the purpose of trolling, I mean, there literally wasn't a single other thing the author had in mind than to infuriate his perceived enemies. Somebody please explain to me how any other explanation could possibly make sense.

the sad thing is, that while he and the boys (except M) probably make exception in real life and just want to provoke the good Dr. Detroit and a few stragglers over here, there probably are a decent number of LDS lurkers who either feel justified by their hardline policies with apostates now or feel like their soft policy should be reconsidered.

but traitors–those who betray their brethren–He–I was going to say–despises them; at any rate they fall under His displeasure; they become like wrecks,

Symmachus can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that within any language or worldview, the greatest insult, the greatest accusation that one can lay upon another, especially a close friend or kin, is that of being a "traitor". So serious it is, that as I understand it, even Genghis Khan killed those who betrayed their own Kahns, his enemies, in order to help him.

You just can't say something worse to a human being than that, and I'd love for DCP or the others to say it to my face. I'd like to see if they really could do it.

But DCP, " our "despising" non-believers, is grossly overwrought and exaggerated."

I see, he just perceives them as traitors who fall under his displeasure, and consider them wrecks -- he "almost" said "despises" but not quite; so you guys are exaggerating!

As I said, there is really no other way to understand this OP as anything other than outright trolling.

[_Kishkumen]

Quite so, Dean Robbers, and, at the same time, it is pretty irresponsible.