Bishop's to ditch ministering to families. Official.

[Guest]

The church is losing the young people. They have grown up with the internet and are not so easily put off by the lies and deflections of the MGs and the Nelsons. They've heard the lame testimony thing for everything under the sun. They also have less patience with the racism and homophobia and antiscientific nonsense. Good for them.

You don't need to dig through 19th century history to see the hollowness of Mormonism.

https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/2019/ ... led-least/

Utah didn’t play a supporting role in the story of serial killer Ted Bundy — it took center stage.

He started murdering women in Washington, and he killed his final victims in Florida before he was executed there. But in between, he killed at least five (and possibly eight) young women in Salt Lake, Davis and Utah counties. He attended the University of Utah’s law school. He joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

And, because one young woman escaped from him in Murray, Bundy was convicted — despite the support of fellow church members — and sentenced to prison.

[_candygal]

It is a good thing this ol' lady is not a member anymore...their revelations and changes are so confusing!

[_I have a question]

Although rearranging the roles so the Male leader has closer access to and tighter control over those boys they consider to have leadership potential, potential to be tapped into when they have acquired a wife so they can provide more boys to indoctrinate still sounds pretty culty to me.

Interestingly, the article makes no mention of the parents of the youth having responsibility. Just the Bishop. This change seems to be an attempt to have the youth listen more to the Bishop as a sort of surrogate Father. I think that’s probably deliberate.

[_Mormonicious]

Curious, if the Mormon corporation is growing and "covering the whole Earth" shouldn't they be introducing new programs?

It seems to me that keeping the "Members" actively engaged in purposefully and charitable would include serving fellow members in leadership roles and mentoring positions, like Young Men and Young Women callings. The only reason not to have these positions is because you don't have the necessary membership to staff the callings.

I can see suspending or consolidating positions/callings in out-lying Mission locations but NOT in the heart of Mormondom. Or is the activity rate even lower than I imagine.

Stupid damned Mormons

All Hail Google GOD and her son eBay and the Holy Toaster youtube

[_Themis]

There is another way to approach this. With the emphasis on Come Follow Me and home centered gospel teaching/practice, it may be that the church is also letting parents know that their kids are their responsibility and that in times past too much was placed on church organizations and church personnel to raise their kids.

BS. Active parents have always been the ones doing to real work. This change will makes things worse in keeping people in the church. Too busy thinking the church is true to see the true strength of an organization is found in it's social cohesion. There is a reason members stayed with the church in high numbers in areas the church had a high population and why the church struggled in areas of low population. Providing most of a persons social needs is what keeps them in. Doing less means they go elsewhere for those needs which results in many more eventually stop showing up to church.

[_Gadianton]

The Gospel is becoming more and more Christ centric within the lives/homes of the members rather that church centric.

MG, you're such a mischievous lad. Two days ago, had anyone accused the Church of being "church centric" in any way, shape or form, you would have rose to be counted among the staunch defenders who say, "Nuh uh! The Church is gospel centric, not church centric!" But now that Ole RTM Nelson has made a change, in your world that contains but a few variables, you reason that prior to the change, the Church must have been out of gospel centricity by just enough to be corrected by the policy at hand, thus proving RTM Nelson to be a prophet of god.

Two days from now, if anyone claims the Church to have "church centric" qualities, you'll strongly object -- until the next revelation from RTMN.

It's laughable to think that you have a way for determining which policies are more gospel-centric vs. church centric, such as whether the youth should answer directly to the Bishopric or to delegates. And what if it doesn't work out and goes back to the old model?

[Guest]

And of course, to put a hat on the reasons for this change...

“I think as adults, we need to be very, very sensitive that we might be one of the causes of the youth of the Church struggling,” he said. “Because we are the ones taking the time of the person who holds the keys for them.”

https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2 ... men-166175
...let's blame the members for the youth going inactive.

The youth are going inactive because the adults are bothering the Bishop?

“We are confident that more young men and young women will rise to the challenge and stay on the covenant path because of this laser-like focus on our youth.”

I wonder how parents of youth feel now that they've been told they weren't doing a good enough job so the Bishop is having to step in as a surrogate Church father?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

[_Dr Exiled]

I love how the church will run pilot programs in certain areas, take copious notes, interview leaders about it, and then make a church-wide change, just like any corporation would, yet call it "revelation." Dupes like MG and certain church cheerleaders over at MD&D then lap it up as if a new day is dawning in churchville. A bright and shiney penny and a pearl of great price was given to the hungry members in the form of a program change designed to keep the members paying generous tithes and offerings to greedy church, inc.

Still no disclosure of the finances. Yet, look at the wonderful scheduling and program changes, says church cheerleader. Go church go! Beat ole scratch through superior arrangement of deck chairs!