Another Racially Insensitive MLK Day Weekend at "SeN"

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Re: Another Racially Insensitive MLK Day Weekend at "SeN"

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Here is a pop quiz question for all you students of Mopologetics out there:

--How has Martin Luther King, Jr. Day been celebrated at "Sic et Non" each year?
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I'm afraid that I'm going to fail this pop quiz, Doctor Scratch. :-(
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Clearly a duplicate
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Re: Another Racially Insensitive Martin Luther King Day Week

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Dr Moore wrote:I dunno, strolling past soldier representatives in a militarily-occupied regime and noting them as fascists seems pretty reasonable to me. In my unlearned youth, having not read much beyond Jack London and Isaac Asimov, witnessing such a thing first hand, an unwanted authoritarian military presence, I wouldn’t have been smart enough to say fascists, under my breath or otherwise. But I might have mumbled something like assholes, who knows. Maybe I’m too ignorant of the subtleties to appreciate what y’all see here.


It’s interesting. To judge from movies you would think that the Praetorian Guard marched around the city of Rome laden in armor. The truth is that their city garb approximated that of normal citizens. This was no doubt partly because a free Republic had been one in which the military zone was outside the formal city boundary. The regime of Augustus was less free than the Republic had been, but Augustus understood the sensitivities of the people much better than Caesar had.

The separation between military and civilian has also been important to us. I recall how shocked I was to see armed men and women in airports after 9/11. I instinctively felt intimidated and, well, somehow less free, although I understood the circumstances were unusual.

Israel is an apartheid state that lives by the gun. I’ve been at airports where Israeli airline desks were guarded by armed soldiers. The twisted nature of the situation is so fraught that a person can hardly bring it up in polite company without stepping on a metaphorical land mine.

We got here partly through one of the most ancient and virulent forms of racism the world has ever known, a form of entrenched xenophobia that long predates the modern concept of race: anti-semitism. We were recently treated to actual anti-semitism on this board. A true anti-semite attacked this board, trying to sabotage it or take it over—I don’t know.

One thing I do know is that, having gone through that attack, I have a difficult time watching us casually accuse a person of anti-semitism (essentially) on the grounds presented in this thread.

We all have various levels of awareness about the problems of racism and anti-semitism. To one degree or another each of us wrestles with these problems because they are integral to our culture. I am uncomfortable with them being used as a point of criticism of others unless there is very unambiguous evidence, as in the case of the barrage this board recently endured.

I can see taking people to task for lack of sensitivity, but goading them with the charge of racism or anti-semitism is uncool, in my opinion. How does that potentially reflect on us?

I am thankful that the title of this thread was changed.
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Re: Another Racially Insensitive Martin Luther King Day Week

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Doctor Scratch wrote:Here is a pop quiz question for all you students of Mopologetics out there:

--How has Martin Luther King, Jr. Day been celebrated at "Sic et Non" each year?

In the I-15 corridor the stones cry out "who is martin luther kring" while at Yes et No Dan's blog intoned "i quoted harriet tubman,once".

hoping for a better 2020!!

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Kishkumen wrote:I am thankful that the title of this thread was changed.

Indeed, a laudable modification, Doctor Scratch. I doubt you will be thanked for editorializing, but I would like to think the gesture leads to good karma.
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Re: Another Racially Insensitive Martin Luther King Day Week

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Kishkumen wrote:
Dr Moore wrote:I dunno, strolling past soldier representatives in a militarily-occupied regime and noting them as fascists seems pretty reasonable to me. ........

.......

We got here partly through one of the most ancient and virulent forms of racism the world has ever known, a form of entrenched xenophobia that long predates the modern concept of race: anti-semitism. We were recently treated to actual anti-semitism on this board. A true anti-semite attacked this board, trying to sabotage it or take it over—I don’t know.

One thing I do know is that, having gone through that attack, I have a difficult time watching us casually accuse a person of anti-semitism (essentially) on the grounds presented in this thread.

We all have various levels of awareness about the problems of racism and anti-semitism. To one degree or another each of us wrestles with these problems because they are integral to our culture. I am uncomfortable with them being used as a point of criticism of others unless there is very unambiguous evidence, as in the case of the barrage this board recently endured.

I can see taking people to task for lack of sensitivity, but goading them with the charge of racism or anti-semitism is uncool, in my opinion. How does that potentially reflect on us?

I am thankful that the title of this thread was changed.

Amen
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Re: Another Racially Insensitive Martin Luther King Day Week

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Doctor Scratch wrote:--How has Martin Luther King, Jr. Day been celebrated at "Sic et Non" each year?

With a snifter of orange soda, listening to Tannhäuser, eating a chocolate donut, while reading classic articles from the FARMS Journal?
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Re: Another Racially Insensitive Martin Luther King Day Week

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moksha wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:--How has Martin Luther King, Jr. Day been celebrated at "Sic et Non" each year?

With a snifter of orange soda, listening to Tannhäuser, eating a chocolate donut, while reading classic articles from the FARMS Journal?


How did yo make your umlaut using the keyboard Moksha? I need to write that down. I knew at one time but cannot figure it out. You know, I really am dumber than I imagined I would be at my age.... :biggrin:
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Re: Another Racially Insensitive Martin Luther King Day Week

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I’ll take today’s nice MLK post as the “plea for forgiveness”.

Apology accepted.
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