Feminism and the LDS church

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I think the Church is vaguebooking again, and letting members fill in the blanks as to what they think 'extreme feminism' means. Typical.

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Feminism is good, unless it contradicts any of the many things we've said over time about the role of women, in which case it's bad. We'll leave it to you to figure out the line, but if you get it wrong, we'll kick your ass out.
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referenced a 1995 statement, The Family: A Proclamation to the World

A statement that received zero input or feedback from women prior to being released.
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LDS Church Website wrote: By that same token, we also frown upon extremes such as male chauvinism, sexism, machismo, or any other cultural influence that would cause men to think and act in ways that are not in harmony with gospel teachings of respect, love, modesty, chastity, equality, and family responsibilities.


How can they say this when the church explicitly believes in sexist ideas and institutionalises sexism? Is this a total lack of self-awareness or are they trying to mislead people about what words mean?

Benevolent sexism is still sexism and it can still harm. And, despite what some men might think about what women feel, and despite what some women may feel, equality is not a feeling.
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Fiannan wrote:Image

Camille Paglia wrote:As far as Ginsberg's pro-NAMBLA stand goes, this is one of the things I most admire him for. I have repeatedly protested the lynch-mob hysteria that dogs the issue of man-boy love. In "Sexual Personae," I argued that male pedophilia is intricately intertwined with the cardinal moments of Western civilization. Donatello's historically pivotal bronze sculpture, "David" (1430), was my main exhibit -- a languidly flirtatious work that would get the artist arrested for kiddie porn these days. In "Vamps & Tramps," I said that Western moralism and hypocrisy have driven the matter underground and overseas, where impoverished Third World boys now supply the sex trade.

Allen Ginsberg was the apostle of a truly visionary sexuality. Like the expansive, sensual, democratic Whitman but unlike the twisted, dishonest, pretentious Foucault, he saw the continuity between great nature and the human body, bathed in waves of cosmic energy. Seen from this pagan perspective, Ginsberg's celebration of boy-love was pure and sinless, demonstrating the limitations of Judeo-Christian paradigms of sexuality.
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Fiannan wrote:Image

Any particular reason for contributing that quote to this thread?
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Lemmie wrote:
Fiannan wrote:Image

Any particular reason for contributing that quote to this thread?

Absolutely. Feminism was one thing in the 60s and another thing today. 3rd wave feminism is anything but affirming to women in sexuality or finding happiness in life.
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How so? Can you give some examples? How has it impacted your sexuality or your happiness?
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Lemmie wrote:“Keep in mind that because women aren’t allowed to have priesthood authority


"Men's historical dominance of the workplace may, in part, be because of their ability to reconcile with enemies after conflict, a new study suggests...Researchers have long been puzzled by the abilities of male chimpanzees, who constantly bicker and fight, to put aside their differences and co-operate and work together in struggles for territory with other groups. Studies showed that male and female chimps acted differently in the aftermath of fights, with males much more inclined to engage in reconciliation behaviours.... Prof Benenson believe that overall, her new work shows that these reconciliation abilities are an "evolved sex difference that still operates today". "It's the idea that you can have a mechanism that allows you to go from that tremendous competition to beat others to being able to form groups and create human society. "Really men have done that in business, in religion, in education and the military - they form these relationships where they are willing to die for each other in some cases." These traits have been, and continue to be, to the detriment of women in the workplace, Prof Benenson believes. She argues that in family settings, women are able to fight and make up in the same way as men, but in the office environment the same incentives don't seem to be there"...That men are more likely to reconcile after a conflict supports other studies showing that male-male relationships are generally different than female-female relationships," said Prof Robert Deaner from Grand Valley State University, who wasn't involved in the work. "A woman's relationship with another woman is often gravely damaged if one woman achieves greater status than the other or somehow outdoes her."
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36969103

Just wanted to share it, but I do believe in gender equality and equal opportunities.

I have a question wrote: We are however, a very very very long way away from gender equality in the Church, as the General Conference example shows.


It really doesn't matter because the LDS church is just a church and LDS women like it. 54% of LDS members in the US are women. If adult LDS women want to follow a sexist church there isn't much we can do about it. Just let them follow it.
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I would rather like to see more female leaders in STEM than in the LDS church.
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