DCP "Apologizes" for Anti-Strangite Writings

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Had Mr. Peterson ever sincerely apologized for a misstep? Like. A genuine mea culpa, and 'I'm going to fix' this apology? I'm not saying he hasn't, but over the twenty-odd years I've been aware of him (19 years an ex-mo this month, yay!), I can't recall him ever showing contriteness and humility.

- Doc

[_Philo Sofee]

Had Mr. Peterson ever sincerely apologized for a misstep? Like. A genuine mea culpa, and 'I'm going to fix' this apology? I'm not saying he hasn't, but over the twenty-odd years I've been aware of him (19 years an ex-mo this month, yay!), I can't recall him ever showing contriteness and humility.

- Doc

No, there has never been contriteness of humility. It's not in the program of Momonism from within. They are already gods here on earth, just not perfect ones, but they imagine their system is perfect, and that perfection of the system blankets them now. They are mortally perfect on their way to celestial perfect. Perfect has no reason to apologize or invoke and involve humility. They want GLORY.......here, now. Anytime they defend their system, again no matter how classlessly, they are receiving celestial flowers of glory on their spiritual heads, and so, in their eyes, there is no wrong way to denigrate other "apostate beliefs, which is every single other religion on the planet in their eyes. Only THEY are the special chosen and have the ONLY authority of God. Therefore they are always correct. Q E D. Can anyone ever, anytime or anywhere imagine Mormonism admitting that the authority of God is in any other religion anywhere in the universe? You know they wouldn't.

[_Dr Moore]

Why is it too much to ask that the purportedly one true church be capable of earning and retaining members solely on the basis of its inherent goodness? Through its self evident wellspring of positive outcomes for people, families, communities?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Anyone able to guess what Mr. Peterson’s new’ish obsession with equating this board to Qanon is?

“Ex-LDS QAnon”.

That’s a 4chan thing, no? Is Daniel Peterson a frequent visitor to 4chan? Is he a downlow alt-righter?

- Doc

[_Gadianton]

Looks like this came up nearly a decade ago at MDB:

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/52 ... es/page/3/

Mortal Man drops a real zinger in response to Pahoran's desperate spin-doctoring, and Pahoran finds himself paralyzed, and unable to respond.

There appear to be several biographies of Strang, and the one by Milo Quaife that Peterson relies on is quite old; it's on the same level as E.D. Howe's Mormonism Unveiled. Basically, this is "Anti-lit", and Peterson is taking upon himself the role of a professional debunker. Notice how he's merely lifting the harshest summaries of Strang from his book to shock his audience, and expects everyone to accept them at face value.

If you check out Mortal Man's comment on MDB, I think you'll see why the apologists are so desperate to attack Strange and his followers. Strang's story offers a deathblow to the credibility of the Mormon witnesses.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Excellent point, Dean Robbers. I wonder: do you remember Gus Van Sant's remake of Psycho? He intended it as a shot-for-shot remake of the Hitchcock original. It was sort of a dumb idea, but then again, it says something about replication or copying. Might it be interesting to remake "Witnesses," and just swap out the names? How different--overall--would the basic story be? And if the Strangites made such a film, would the Mopologists make fun of it?

[_I have a question]

Unlike the golden plates used by Smith to produce the Book of Mormon, the existence of Strang's plates was verified by independent, non-Mormon witnesses, including Christopher Latham Sholes, inventor of the first practical typewriter. Strang was accused of having fabricated the plates from a brass tea kettle, a claim which he and his partisans vigorously denied. The plates disappeared around 1900, and their current whereabouts are unknown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voree_plates

One assumes those believers of Joseph Smiths family and close friends witnesses are equally supportive of the validity of the claims of authenticity of the Voree Plates?

[_Tator]

I'm sure Ditto Copy Pasterson has achieved the status of "Second Anoited" and I attribute this to his thinking he is some kind of a "god" here on earth here and now. This allows him to lie, degrade, slur and plagiarize over and over with no repercussions from all the Mormon low lives that only have the basic "god in embryo" anointing. It will take the big 15 cheeses in SLC to stop the dupe pasterson, not sure the 15 or DNews have the brains or honesty to come clean.

[_Tom]

The SeN proprietor recently made this claim about his Deseret News article: "I relied on the two best books I could find on the subject. . . . I accurately reported what they said."

Did he?

First, here is the SeN proprietor's report of Quaife's evaluation of Strang:

“We can hardly escape the conclusion,” writes Quaife, “that Strang knowingly fabricated and planted them for the purpose of duping his credulous followers”; and, accordingly, that “Strang’s prophetic career was a false and impudent imposture."

Here is the fuller context of Quaife's evaluation:

It is quite conceivable that Strang's angelic visitations may had only a subjective existence in the brain of the man who reported them. But the metallic plates possessed a very material objective reality; and we can hardly escape the conclusion either that Strang knowingly fabricated and "planted" them for the purpose of duping his credulous followers, or that they were what they purport to have been, ancient records divinely preserved, in the discovery and translation of which Strang was divinely guided. If the former alternative be accepted, it follows that Strang's prophetic career was a false and impudent imposture; if the latter be the true one, we are confronted by the sad fact that of all the people now on earth only a few score at the most have comprehended it.

Why did the SeN proprietor omit the word "either" in his quotation from Quaife and fail to mention the second half of Quaife's conclusion?

[_Gadianton]

Thank you Tom! What a cold and calculating edit to the text!