The Mormon prophets are able to see clearer and with greater vision and distance than modern scientists using modern equipment. Prophets have seer stones locked up in the Church offices. Should we trust them?ELDER SPENCER W. KIMBALL wrote:Astronomers have sought knowledge through study, but prophets through faith. Astronomers have developed powerful telescopes through which they have seen much, but prophets and seers have had clearer vision at greater distances with precision instruments such as the Liahona and the Urim and Thummim, which have far exceeded the most advanced radar, radio, television, or telescopic equipment.
Yes, students would be amazed to know. So where is this amazing information published? It's found in Mormon canon and in the Egyptian Papers that until recently had been hid up from the Church but is now available online thanks to a step in the transparency direction.ELDER SPENCER W. KIMBALL wrote:Students of the universe might be amazed to know how much Adam knew about astronomy; how much Enoch and Moses had of accumulated knowledge of this world in its beginnings, its history and of its projected end. Many would wonder at the great Abraham, living nearly forty centuries ago, who was such a world authority, not only on the earth, its movements, and its conditions, but on the universe itself, extending to the very center of it.
Folks, I'm not making this up. Kimball basically says that Abraham was a better astronomer than today's specialists. Yeah, I'd like to see Abraham take his Urim and Thummim and cure the common flu or build a rocket ship to go to the moon. What a freaking joke! Kimball is a freak-show! Mormons are bloody freaks! A weird people, indeed.ELDER SPENCER W. KIMBALL wrote:His supernatural knowledge was probably supplemented by research and observation in the clear, starry nights in the plains of Mesopotamia, but he must have received the major part through the Urim and Thummim which could have been far more revealing than the most powerful telescope in the most modern observatory. In his 175 brilliant years of life he accumulated knowledge in many fields, but especially in astronomy, in which field he seems to have excelled, and was perhaps equal or superior to even the highly trained Egyptian astronomers. At the altar near Bethel, close to Jerusalem, came his greatest scientific knowledge.
Indeed! Everything in the PofGP is blase generalities with no actual attestation of knowing what we know today. Everything Kimball said is ad hoc special pleading with no evidence of anything we know today. No speed of light speed limit, black holes, gravity waves, sunspots, Jupiter's rings or Saturn's moons, not even earth tides caused by the moon.....there is literally nothing of anything specific in theFolks, I'm not making this up. Kimball basically says that Abraham was a better astronomer than today's specialists. Yeah, I'd like to see Abraham take his Urim and Thummim and cure the common flu or build a rocket ship to go to the moon. What a freaking joke! Kimball is a freak-show! Mormons are bloody freaks! A weird people, indeed.
Joseph Fielding Smith wrote:We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen.
Here, Kimball tells us that Abraham went to Egypt and wrote his treatise in longhand to present to the king of Egypt! Yes, written by his own hand, SOUND familiar? Where were the apologists in 1962 to tell Kimball that the papyrus was just a copy of a copy and not really in Abraham's own handwriting?ELDER SPENCER W. KIMBALL Conference April 1962 wrote:As he sat in Egypt and wrote his treatise on papyrus, in longhand, likely to present to Pharaoh and his eminent court, he wrote. "And I, Abraham, had the Urim and Thummim, which the Lord my God had given unto me, in Ur of the Chaldees
Yeah, we can turn to Facsimile No. 2 and see Father Elohim sitting atop his throne with his big shlonk -- his huge Johnson in his hands!ELDER SPENCER W. KIMBALL Conference April 1962 wrote: The worlds were created, organized, and made to function by Jesus Christ our Lord, all this at the instance of and under the direction of his Father Elohim, our Heavenly Father. Abraham knew, as we know, that the works of God in all creations were infinite, purposeful, efficient, limitless.
The above link doesn't work. I do believe this is the pic you refer to:aussieguy55 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:48 pmHi Shulem
When presenting this information on DanP blog I got this response
Here's a link to what I consider to be a good explanation of this particular conundrum. If you go through the article carefully you'll come across photos that show how the figure next to #7 can be either a snake or a falcon--both were used by the Egyptians:
https://www.pearlofgreatpri...
Or he just didn't know what they were and didn't feel like making crap up as he did with the other explanations!aussieguy55 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:48 pmRe: The other figures you mention: Joseph didn't run out of ideas. He either did not know what the interpretations were because the Lord withheld them from him. Or he knew what they were but did not disclose them because they were too sacred.
Dan P and the dirty Mormon apologists are using the parallel that the falcon headed man can be displayed to represent the divine scene expressed by the Egyptians but in doing this they admit one very important thing, whether it be a falcon head or, a snake head:aussieguy55 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:48 pmHi Shulem
When presenting this information on DanP blog I got this response
Here's a link to what I consider to be a good explanation of this particular conundrum. If you go through the article carefully you'll come across photos that show how the figure next to #7 can be either a snake or a falcon--both were used by the Egyptians
