GC Oct 2021

[doubtingthomas]

That is, unless you are looking for possible misrepresentation of his words/meaning.

I was defending your guy. Don't add words to my mouth.

Jesus Christ!

[Dr Moore]

I respect your right to express your opinion. Same with Gadianton. I simply disagree.

Telling a current critic they cannot possibly understand what believers experience, is more than “simply disagreeing.” It is casting judgment and incoherent mind reading, wholly unfairly and without any care as to that person’s lived experience or journey out of Mormonism. MG, get off your high horse already. Your blanket insults and illogical conversation stoppers are tired and old. I realize, from your posting history, that you’ve been doing this for over 15 years here. But it’s no less helpful today, nor does it redound to the credibility of believing Mormons.

[Moksha]

The spirituality of blasting off in the Spaceship Nauvoo to spread the Gospel to the Milky Way Galaxy cannot be underestimated. More time and brilliant investing will be needed to grow the fund with increased spirituality. Maybe members can double down in their monthly dues. Targeted bequests to tow a portion of your ashes beyond Saturn's Rings can be considered.

[Dr Moore]

Members ought not to use the label “apostate.”
Listen to Holland’s talk from yesterday. Then listen again. Labels are divisive.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

In my experience, families make an "occasion" out of conference in order to surgar-coat four hours of boredom that they don't get anything out of. For instance, getting everyone together and making a big, syrupy breakfast that conveniently runs into the first few talks of the session.

Families do get together during conference sessions to share love and companionship. Food is often a part of that. As a bonus we can sit down with each other and listen to conference and be inspired together. And yes, the younger at heart, including the kiddos, will play conference bingo using candy corn or marshmallows as a ‘sweet way’ of listening to the talks.

How in the world would you, of all people, be able to know what active, believing members of the church get out of the talks? You are a critic and apostate. I do understand why you might feel a sense of boredom. A disbeliever in the God that members of the CofJCofLDS worship would find little or no application of the content in the talks. It would be boring as a result. I have felt uplifted a number of times thus far during the sessions.

If you get a chance, listen to Elder Uchtdorf’s talk from Sunday morning. I think we all might find application. Even if you are a disbeliever.

Regards,
MG

“For the time is coming when people will not have patience for sound teaching, but will cater to their passions and gather around themselves teachers who say whatever their ears itch to hear.”

Hrm. Maybe we are in the latter days after all.

- Doc

[canpakes]

If you get a chance, listen to Elder Uchtdorf’s talk from Sunday morning. I think we all might find application. Even if you are a disbeliever.

Regards,
MG

There’s a short synopsis at the link below. Do you feel that it accurately represents the message?

https://www.thechurchnews.com/general-c ... ion-227358

[MG 2.0]

I respect your right to express your opinion. Same with Gadianton. I simply disagree.

Telling a current critic they cannot possibly understand what believers experience, is more than “simply disagreeing.” It is casting judgment and incoherent mind reading, wholly unfairly and without any care as to that person’s lived experience or journey out of Mormonism.

I don’t believe that’s what I’m doing as much as you would like to cast it that way. My point is that they would find conference “boring” and the talks containing or consisting of “pablum” because, as I said, they are not able to make any application to their own life. Now maybe at one time they could. But no longer. That’s not making an unwarranted ‘judgement’, it’s stating a reality.

A couple of years or so ago I was in a Buddhist Temple up in Salt Lake City with a school group. The Buddhist practitioner took us through a simple ceremony of some sort. I found it interesting but not applicable directly to my life. Kind of boring, in a sense. Gadianton, Kishkumen, and yourself…along with many others here…find no application or meaning in the talks given at conference, unless it’s to criticize. So it’s boring. At least that’s my take away.

I don’t think any of you involved in this conversation would dispute the fact that you are critics and apostates. Even if at one time you had a testimony of the restored gospel, you no longer do. Thus, you find no ‘real world’ application in talks given at conference, so they are boring and contain only pablum. That’s really the only point I’m making.

MG, get off your high horse already.

What do you mean? I’m stating the facts as I see them. I respect the fact that you and others have the world-views that you do. I’m simply saying that I believe you’re wrong. You can say the same about me. That’s wouldn’t be putting you on a high horse.

Your blanket insults…

Here we go again…

…and illogical conversation stoppers…

As if this is not…

…are tired and old.

As is your very predictable response.

I realize, from your posting history, that you’ve been doing this for over 15 years here.

Yes, I’ve been in and out of here over a period of time. Doing “what” exactly? What you say I am doing isn’t necessarily what I’m actually doing. It’s all in your perception. And of course, you will likely have cohorts that will agree with you. Truth is, in this instance, you are making a mountain out of a molehill as others have done before you. It’s a repeated and tired repetition.

But it’s no less helpful today…

Not to your cause, admittedly.

…nor does it redound to the credibility of believing Mormons.

Again, that’s a tired old response heard by others before me and after me who are simply providing the ‘flip side’ to your continued disparagement and criticism of the LDS Church and its leaders.

Basically my participation on this thread was to say that I enjoyed conference, learned from it, and will go back and listen to the talks again. I didn’t find them boring and I found that my faith in Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ was increased.

You don’t particularly want to hear that point of view expressed and so you have folks like Gadianton popping in after my posting on page one and stating the REALITY…which isn’t necessarily so. I then observe that other folks here are agreeing with his basic premise, and on board with his perception as being the TRUTH…even though it may not be.

At least to active, believing members of the church.

Anyways, don’t get all up in arms. At the end of the day, you go your way and I go mine and there’s a place for both of us in the conversation.

Ya’ ain’t gonna cancel me. And I’m surely not going to cancel you.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Members ought not to use the label “apostate.”
Listen to Holland’s talk from yesterday. Then listen again. Labels are divisive.

An apostate is merely a defector or deserter. Calling it like it is. I don’t see why stating this fact has to be divisive unless you make it so.

Obviously, however, there is a divide between deserters/defectors and active, believing members of the church. How can there not be? But to a certain extent I think that divide can be lessened.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

If you get a chance, listen to Elder Uchtdorf’s talk from Sunday morning. I think we all might find application. Even if you are a disbeliever.

Regards,
MG

There’s a short synopsis at the link below. Do you feel that it accurately represents the message?

https://www.thechurchnews.com/general-c ... ion-227358

Well yeah, it’s in the Church News.

What are your thoughts?

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Members ought not to use the label “apostate.”
Listen to Holland’s talk from yesterday. Then listen again. Labels are divisive.

An apostate is merely a defector or deserter. Calling it like it is. I don’t see why stating this fact has to be divisive unless you make it so.

Obviously, however, there is a divide between deserters/defectors and active, believing members of the church. How can there not be? But to a certain extent I think that divide can be lessened.

Regards,
MG

Oh. Well. Since we’re “calling it like it is.”



Sure hope the “divide” gets lessened with my post!

- Doc