It's NOT the Mormon Church Gawd Damn it!

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Re: It's NOT the Mormon Church Gawd Damn it!

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Trying to eradicate "Mormon" is not only futile, it's also what's actually offensive. The reality is that Mormonism is what the movement's founder called it and there are many other churches with similar names. It's the height of arrogance and disrespect to suppose that:
  • Nelsonite Brighamites have the authority to label an entire movement that includes several other churches that view it as apostate. Mormonism is a multi-denominational movement and as such, any one church that hails from it has no right to dictate how others refer to the movement as a whole. It would be like Temple Lot Mormons trying to dictate to Nelson.
  • Nelsonite Mormonism is the only "church of Jesus Christ" denomination that should be referred to in this manner. There are scores of denominations that have this verbiage in their official names. They are humble enough to accept being called "Cogic" (for Church of God in Christ) or any other non-offensive variations.
  • It ignores that some of the first names of Joseph Smith's church did not have Jesus in the name. So by Nelson's own metric, Joseph Smith made a "victory for Satan." Smith's church (which should not be necessarily presumed to be affiliated with the Nelsonite Brighamites) was called the Church of the Latter Day Saints for a while.
  • Beyond trying to ban "Mormon," Nelson also wants to ban "LDS." His peevishness is forcing a lot of member-owned organizations the expensive task of renaming themselves, in a way that may not even be possible with web domain squatters and such. There's no real alternative to "LDS Living" and so that magazine has not renamed itself. Good for them.
Perhaps the real reason to ban "Mormon" though is that it can invoke Joseph Smith's absurd etymology of the word "Mormon" from a non-existent Egyptian word "mon" prefixed by the English word "more."

Obviously, ancient Nephites did not have the English word "more," so Smith's etymology for "Mormon" as "More Good" is perhaps the easiest and most obvious proof that Mormonism is made-up.
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Re: It's NOT the Mormon Church Gawd Damn it!

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I wonder how far Mormons want to push this fetish of Rusty Nelson's making. Would they want to make calling someone "Mormon" a hate crime?
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Re: It's NOT the Mormon Church Gawd Damn it!

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In case anyone wants a source, here’s the letter to the editor of the T&S:

https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/c ... 46/id/8517

It’s the last sentence. Good Lord.

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Re: It's NOT the Mormon Church Gawd Damn it!

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:09 am
In case anyone wants a source, here’s the letter to the editor of the T&S:

https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/c ... 46/id/8517

It’s the last sentence. Good Lord.

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Searching the FAIR site, it seems that they believe, correctly, that the transliterated Egyptian word for "good" is spelled "nfr."

Of course, it's in the context of an absurd claim that "Nephi" is somehow a derivation of "nfr."

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints .org/conference/august-2019/laman-and-nephi-as-key-words (remove space to fix link)

When it's convenient for Mormonism, "mon" is the ancient Egyptian word for "good." Other times, it's what everyone else thinks, "nfr."
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Re: It's NOT the Mormon Church Gawd Damn it!

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Alphus and Omegus wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:32 pm
Obviously, ancient Nephites did not have the English word "more," so Smith's etymology for "Mormon" as "More Good" is perhaps the easiest and most obvious proof that Mormonism is made-up.
I have to disagree with this in the same manner as if someone called Lewis Caroll's poem Jabberwocky "too frumious".

It tickled my fancy to read Joseph's entomology of the word Mormon.
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Re: It's NOT the Mormon Church Gawd Damn it!

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Moksha wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:02 pm
The Church should have recommended a short useful substitute for the name Mormon. Brighamites, Nelsonites, or even the two-word Saints-Lite might have been workable. The media outside of the Jello-Belt will not use the full name, which to people unfamiliar with the Mormon story sounds very misleading.
This is where Hinckley got PR, if he had a stick up his bum about Mormon he would've known a short useful catchy substitution would also need to be provided for the people and more importantly the media to bite on. It is why Nelson will ultimately fail on this, he has no PR savvy.
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