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MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:01 pm

Dr Exiled wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:40 pm

So, do you think the schedule changes were inspired? How about the decision to discontinue financial disclosure? How about how God supposedly allowed his prophet to trumpet a huge conference celebration for the first vision in 2020 only to have covid shut it down? How about inspiring a cure? Or at least giving a warning? Instead, we have supposed "revelation" cure mistakes like in the November policy exclusion. Supposed "revelation" to shorten the meetings because people are bored to tears with the monotonous repetition. Priesthood blessings are a joke, having to be couched in language to cover their ineffectiveness and to blame the people when they don't work.

So, where is the inspiration?

Why must God micromanage everything? Let’s assume that He doesn’t. If that is so, where would you draw the line? And how would you know if where you draw the line is where God draws the line?

If men/women are allowed to make decisions based upon the data that they have, are you expecting that God steps in at every juncture/point to do course corrections? That would be ludicrous to think so. I think we can agree on that point.

So again, where are those ‘borderlands’ where God steps in or doesn’t?

You seem to want to make those decisions in the place of God Almighty. That’s quite a load you’re taking on yourself, especially not knowing the end from the beginning.

Not by a long stretch.

Regards,
MG

Dr Exiled wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:10 pm

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:01 pm

Why must God micromanage everything? Let’s assume that He doesn’t. If that is so, where would you draw the line? And how would you know if where you draw the line is where God draws the line?

If men/women are allowed to make decisions based upon the data that they have, are you expecting that God steps in at every juncture/point to do course corrections? That would be ludicrous to think so. I think we can agree on that point.

So again, where are those ‘borderlands’ where God steps in or doesn’t?

You seem to want to make those decisions in the place of God Almighty. That’s quite a load you’re taking on yourself, especially not knowing the end from the beginning.

Not by a long stretch.

Regards,
MG

Nope. Just tell me where the inspiration is. I don't see it. It should be obvious if the church is what you want/claim it to be.

26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward. [“Command” and “compelled” are tied together here. He’s just saying that we cannot be void of our free will.]

27 Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness [Re-emphasizing the use of “free will,” he wants us to use our free will to “choose” to do the will of God. If we did not “choose to do the will of God” and were robots to wait for the command of a master, then we would be void of using our free will, which is contrary to the plan].

28 For the power is in them, wherein they are agents unto themselves. And inasmuch as men do good they shall in nowise lose their reward. [“Doing” good is choosing to do good]

29 But he that doeth not anything until he is commanded, and receiveth a commandment with doubtful heart, and keepeth it with slothfulness, the same is damned.
https://journeydoctrineofchrist.org/201 ... ll-things/

consiglieri wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:58 pm

All Q15 meetings are board meetings.

What do you think the Q15 is?

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:04 pm

Dr Exiled wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:10 pm

Nope. Just tell me where the inspiration is. I don't see it. It should be obvious if the church is what you want/claim it to be.

I’ll repeat, where are those borderlands where God either steps in or chooses not to because of reasons known only to Him? It appears as though your requirements for God’s micromanagement are much more stringent than mine are.

26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward. [“Command” and “compelled” are tied together here. He’s just saying that we cannot be void of our free will.]

27 Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness [Re-emphasizing the use of “free will,” he wants us to use our free will to “choose” to do the will of God. If we did not “choose to do the will of God” and were robots to wait for the command of a master, then we would be void of using our free will, which is contrary to the plan].

28 For the power is in them, wherein they are agents unto themselves. And inasmuch as men do good they shall in nowise lose their reward. [“Doing” good is choosing to do good]

29 But he that doeth not anything until he is commanded, and receiveth a commandment with doubtful heart, and keepeth it with slothfulness, the same is damned.
https://journeydoctrineofchrist.org/201 ... ll-things/

Why are we overly concerned about the ‘when’ of inspiration and revelation? It’s as if when it doesn’t seem readily apparent that inspiration is or isn’t involved in what leaders are doing or saying on a given day we then decide that they are not susceptible to revelation at all.

Why is that?

Regards,
MG

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:01 pm

Dr Exiled wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:40 pm

So, do you think the schedule changes were inspired? How about the decision to discontinue financial disclosure? How about how God supposedly allowed his prophet to trumpet a huge conference celebration for the first vision in 2020 only to have covid shut it down? How about inspiring a cure? Or at least giving a warning? Instead, we have supposed "revelation" cure mistakes like in the November policy exclusion. Supposed "revelation" to shorten the meetings because people are bored to tears with the monotonous repetition. Priesthood blessings are a joke, having to be couched in language to cover their ineffectiveness and to blame the people when they don't work.

So, where is the inspiration?

Why must God micromanage everything? Let’s assume that He doesn’t. If that is so, where would you draw the line? And how would you know if where you draw the line is where God draws the line?

If men/women are allowed to make decisions based upon the data that they have, are you expecting that God steps in at every juncture/point to do course corrections? That would be ludicrous to think so. I think we can agree on that point.

So again, where are those ‘borderlands’ where God steps in or doesn’t?

You seem to want to make those decisions in the place of God Almighty. That’s quite a load you’re taking on yourself, especially not knowing the end from the beginning.

Not by a long stretch.

Regards,
MG

Rivendale wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:27 pm

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:01 pm

Why must God micromanage everything? Let’s assume that He doesn’t. If that is so, where would you draw the line? And how would you know if where you draw the line is where God draws the line?

If men/women are allowed to make decisions based upon the data that they have, are you expecting that God steps in at every juncture/point to do course corrections? That would be ludicrous to think so. I think we can agree on that point.

So again, where are those ‘borderlands’ where God steps in or doesn’t?

You seem to want to make those decisions in the place of God Almighty. That’s quite a load you’re taking on yourself, especially not knowing the end from the beginning.

Not by a long stretch.

Regards,
MG

The borderlands are with amputees. That is defiantly off limits to supernatural beings.

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:49 pm

Rivendale wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:27 pm

The borderlands are with amputees. That is defiantly off limits to supernatural beings.

Granted, if God stepped in with all the amputees that would blow the top off of the whole faith thing.

And He would have to step in with every single amputee wouldn’t He? Or then we start moving into the whole God isn’t fair thing.

Too many ‘things’ to throw us off, aren’t there? I’m sure we could come up with a whole litany of them.

That seems to keep some people awfully busy.

Regards,
MG

Rivendale wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:21 pm

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:49 pm

Granted, if God stepped in with all the amputees that would blow the top off of the whole faith thing.

And He would have to step in with every single amputee wouldn’t He? Or then we start moving into the whole God isn’t fair thing.

Too many ‘things’ to throw us off, aren’t there? I’m sure we could come up with a whole litany of them.

That seems to keep some people awfully busy.

Regards,
MG

We don't need a plethora of amputee healings. Just one.

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:31 pm

Rivendale wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:21 pm

We don't need a plethora of amputee healings. Just one.

Why just one? What purpose would that serve except to cause all the thousands of other amputees a whole lot of grief and resentment towards God. That doesn’t sound like getting much of a bang for the buck.

The only solution would be for God to make every other amputee happy and restore them to perfect health. Or can you think of an alternative?

Would God draw the line between a missing finger and a missing leg?

Regards,
MG