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Second anointing, I do not know about it but it gets brought up here from time to time. In what I hear it isn't anything more than what is spoken of in DC 132. Perhaps a special enacting ceremony? That sounds less than earthshaking. So whats the sense of secrecy? Despite itself DC 132 remains public.
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huckelberry wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:39 pm
Second anointing, I do not know about it but it gets brought up here from time to time. In what I hear it isn't anything more than what is spoken of in DC 132. Perhaps a special enacting ceremony? That sounds less than earthshaking. So whats the sense of secrecy? Despite itself DC 132 remains public.
The Tom Phillips Mormon Stories interview is the single most important source for information on the Second Anointing because Tom Phillips recounts the experience first hand.
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Gabriel wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:21 am
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:59 am
The part that kills me is when he realizes he has gone too far and starts stuttering while he pulls as hard as he can on the yoke.
Unlike Elder Holland, The Security and Exchange Commission appears not to have been too impressed with Ballard's integrity and righteousness during the early 60's. I don't know if this is old news or not but I will pass it along anyway.
VIOLATIONS CHARGED TO KEYSTONE SECURITIES. The SEC has ordered proceedings under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 to determine whether Keystone Securities Corp., of 826 South Main Street, Salt Lake City, violate prohibitions of that Act and the Securities Act of 1933 against manipulation and fraud and, if so, whether its broker-dealer registration should be revoked.Keystone has been registered with the Commission as a broker-dealer since July 12, 1961, and M. R. (Russell) Ballard, Jr., is its president. In its order, the Commission recites charges of its staff that information developed in an investigation tends to show that certain activities of Keystone and Ballard with respect to Shasta Minerals and Chemical Company violated the said provisions of the Federal securities laws. Shasta filed a registration statement with the Commission in April 1961 proposing the public offering of 500,000 shares of Shasta common at $2.50 per share. That statement, as amended, names Keystone as underwriter. The staff charges that the Shasta registration statement (against which "stop order" proceedings are pending under the Securities Act) contains false and misleading information and omits material facts with respect to the following and that Keystone and Ballard aided and abetted Shasta in its filing: a) prior sales of Shasta stock in violation of Section 17 of the Securities Act and the true facts surrounding a January and February 1961 rescission offer by Shasta; (b) financial statements and the financial condition of Shasta; (c) the relationship of Shasta, its promoters and management officials, with Keystone and Ballard; (d) the activities of Shasta, Kay L. Stoker and others in the offer and sale of Shasta stock in violation of Sections 5 and 17(a) of the Securities Act;[/b] and (e) the fact that Phelps-Dodge Corporation withdrew from its joint-venture with Shasta because the results were unfavorable from the standpoint of Phelps-Dodge. The Staff further charges that, in the offer and sale of Shasta common during the period January to November 1961, Keystone and Ballard engaged in activities which operated as a "fraud and deceit" upon certain persons in that (1) in addition to the foregoing, and for the purpose of conditioning and inducing investors to purchase Shasta stock to be offered under the said registration statement, they offered and sold Shasta shares at prices ranging from $1.50 to $1.60 per share to certain members of the Shasta-Stoker group, which prices were in excess of those previously charged public investors; and (2) distributed a letter to Shasta shareholders for the purpose of inducing their purchase of Shasta shares to be offered under the registration statement, and included therein certain false and misleading information, including that with respect to the stage of development, nature of and potential value of Shasta's mining properties. The filing of a false financial statement by Keystone and its violation of the Commission's record-keeping requirements also are charged by the staff. A hearing will be held, at a time and place to be announced, for the purpose of taking evidence to determine whether the staff charg.....
https://www.sec.gov/news/digest/1962/dig072462.pdf
REGISTRATION OF KEYSTONE SECURITIES REVOKED. In a decision announced today (Release 34-7095) the SEC evoked the broker-dealer registration of Keystone Securities Corp., 816 South Main St., Salt Lake City, tab. M. Russell Ballard, Jr., president and a principal stockholder of the firm, was found a cause of the evocation order. In its decision, the Commission found that Keystone and Ballard violated Sections 7 and o of the Securities Act of 1933 in that they aided and abetted Shasta Minerals and Chemical Company in making false and misleading statements in a registration statement filed by Shasta regarding prior sales of Shasta stock in violation of the Securities Act anti-fraud provisions, financial statements and financial condition and prior activities of Shasta, and the relationships of Shasta and its officers, directors and promoters with Keystone and Ballard. The Commission also found that Keystone filed with the Commission a false financial statement and violated the Exchange Act bookkeeping requirements. (Commissioner Cohen did not participate in the Commission's decision).
https://www.sec.gov/news/digest/1963/dig071063.pdf

He is also mentioned here for those who speak legalese:
https://casetext.com/case/silver-king-mines-inc-v-cohen

Sorry, for the sloppy copy.

Russell Nelson went to visit Ballard in 1977 when he was the Mission President in Toronto. So, it must have taken Ballard a mere 15 years to turn from a white-collar crook into a second-anointed one. He must have had some kind of Damascene conversion.

Note: This information was passed along to me. I can't take credit for the research.
Having once audited the financial statements of SEC registrants, I find this VERY interesting. Alas, this was unknown to me until today o'clock when I saw your post. Thank you for passing this along.
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Dr. Sunstoned wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:33 am
The part that kills me is when he realizes he has gone too far and starts stuttering while he pulls as hard as he can on the yoke.
Too bad. He dove in at full power so pulling back on the yoke couldn't save him. (As always, augering in at full power left an awful mess.)
This is far from the first time Jeffrey (dodo) jowls has screwed up on camera. What an embarrassment.
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drumdude wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:27 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:39 pm
Second anointing, I do not know about it but it gets brought up here from time to time. In what I hear it isn't anything more than what is spoken of in DC 132. Perhaps a special enacting ceremony? That sounds less than earthshaking. So whats the sense of secrecy? Despite itself DC 132 remains public.
The Tom Phillips Mormon Stories interview is the single most important source for information on the Second Anointing because Tom Phillips recounts the experience first hand.
In a stealth mode wisper, as though touching on a deep secret, drumdude mentions how I may find a path to research this second anointing.(instead of making a simple clear explanation)
Drumdude, I do not have any reason to pursue a research into some puzzle of such limited importance. I remain tolerably satisfied that the important material related to this is in DC 132.

Perhaps I should note that I ended all participation in the church a few weeks before my 18th birthday. I have not gone through the temple.
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huckelberry wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:32 am
drumdude wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:27 pm


The Tom Phillips Mormon Stories interview is the single most important source for information on the Second Anointing because Tom Phillips recounts the experience first hand.
In a stealth mode wisper, as though touching on a deep secret, drumdude mentions how I may find a path to research this second anointing.(instead of making a simple clear explanation)
Drumdude, I do not have any reason to pursue a research into some puzzle of such limited importance. I remain tolerably satisfied that the important material related to this is in DC 132.

Perhaps I should note that I ended all participation in the church a few weeks before my 18th birthday. I have not gone through the temple.
It was the most exciting podcast I've ever listened to. It's hard to explain how mind blowing it was that John Dehlin got someone to actually interview about the ceremony. And I'm not even a "Born in the Covenant" Mormon.

The church instructs members to not talk about the temple. The church doesn't even instruct members about the second anointing because they're not supposed to even know it exists.

It would be as if Trump gave an interview where he admitted he had seen the JFK documents and admitted it was a Russian assassination plot. Well maybe not quite that momentous, but within Mormonism it's close! :lol:
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huckelberry wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:32 am
drumdude wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:27 pm


The Tom Phillips Mormon Stories interview is the single most important source for information on the Second Anointing because Tom Phillips recounts the experience first hand.
In a stealth mode wisper, as though touching on a deep secret, drumdude mentions how I may find a path to research this second anointing.(instead of making a simple clear explanation)
Drumdude, I do not have any reason to pursue a research into some puzzle of such limited importance. I remain tolerably satisfied that the important material related to this is in DC 132.

Perhaps I should note that I ended all participation in the church a few weeks before my 18th birthday. I have not gone through the temple.
From Russell’s autobiography, (From Heart to Heart. Quality Press, Inc: Russell M. Nelson. 1979), on page 360 from his chapter Highlights of 1974:
Russell M. Nelson wrote: June 4 -- Laurie graduated from Roosevelt Junior High. President Spencer W. Kimball called me in to notify me that Dantzel and I were to report to the temple on June 9.
June 5 --Emily went to Rexburg. Daddy had a fall in a darkened stairway at his office building during a power outage. He fractured his clavicle, radius, shoulder, and bones in the back and was really miserable. After getting him settled, I took a later plane to meet a commitment in Chicago with the council chairmen of the American College of Surgeons. The following day I returned to be at his bedside and to participate in Sylvia's birthday party.
June 9 -- Dantzel and I were privileged to enter the temple on this Sabbath day to attend a special meeting at the invitation of President Spencer W. Kimball. The sacred nature of this event precludes our mentioning more about it here other than to say that it did take place, but this experience is of the greatest importance to us and to our family.
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Gabriel wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:24 am
Russell M. Nelson wrote: June 9 -- Dantzel and I were privileged to enter the temple on this Sabbath day to attend a special meeting at the invitation of President Spencer W. Kimball. The sacred nature of this event precludes our mentioning more about it here other than to say that it did take place, but this experience is of the greatest importance to us and to our family.
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huckelberry wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:32 am
In a stealth mode wisper, as though touching on a deep secret, drumdude mentions how I may find a path to research this second anointing.(instead of making a simple clear explanation)
Here's your simple clear explanation:

An apostle contacts you and asks you to bring your wife to the temple. From there, he leads the two of you to the "Holy of Holies" and your wife washes your feet. This causes the two of you to be guaranteed salvation in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, and you get to sin all you want except for shedding innocent blood and denying the Holy Ghost, which will cancel the anointing. Once that's over, he asks you to recommend one or two other couples that you think would be good candidates for the same ordinance.

All mission presidents and temple presidents are given the Second Anointing.
I remain tolerably satisfied that the important material related to this is in DC 132.
Is the above written in D&C 132?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:25 am
I remain tolerably satisfied that the important material related to this is in DC 132.
Is the above written in D&C 132?
Pretty much. It gives the same promise and conditions in relation to a temple sealing. From memory it’s verse 26.
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