The distance between Christianity and the 4 Gospels

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Re: The distance between Christianity and the 4 Gospels

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Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 pm
I'm going to add a coda here.

I think it's clear that the LDS Church is a behavioralist organization. It really only focuses on behavior. They think that if they can get members to change their behavior, then the hearts and minds will follow. You're told to attend church, not criticize the leaders, pay your tithing, go to the temple, hold family home evening, keep your convents, say your prayers. The assumption is that behavior will modify emotion and thought. The leaders believe this so strongly that they're convinced that if someone leaves the church, it must be because they couldn't hack the prescribed behaviors, but instead, wanted to engage in alternate behaviors (ie, they wanted to sin).

MG reflects this attitude all the time when he talks about non-believers not being able to maintain the disciplined activities demanded of those who 'choose belief in a creator God.' Even belief is reduced to behavioral terms. Put things on a self. Listen to the brethren. Choose to believe. If you can't manage belief, it must be because you are not doing something right.
So, we can start calling modern Mormonism ‘Skinnerism’ and adherents Skinnerites. They did, after all and despite Oaks’ lies, try to shock the Gay out of some poor BYU students.

- Doc
Hugh Nibley claimed he bumped into Adolf Hitler, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Gertrude Stein, and the Grand Duke Vladimir Romanoff. Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.
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Re: The distance between Christianity and the 4 Gospels

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:51 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 pm
I'm going to add a coda here.

I think it's clear that the LDS Church is a behavioralist organization. It really only focuses on behavior. They think that if they can get members to change their behavior, then the hearts and minds will follow. You're told to attend church, not criticize the leaders, pay your tithing, go to the temple, hold family home evening, keep your convents, say your prayers. The assumption is that behavior will modify emotion and thought. The leaders believe this so strongly that they're convinced that if someone leaves the church, it must be because they couldn't hack the prescribed behaviors, but instead, wanted to engage in alternate behaviors (ie, they wanted to sin).

MG reflects this attitude all the time when he talks about non-believers not being able to maintain the disciplined activities demanded of those who 'choose belief in a creator God.' Even belief is reduced to behavioral terms. Put things on a self. Listen to the brethren. Choose to believe. If you can't manage belief, it must be because you are not doing something right.
So, we can start calling modern Mormonism ‘Skinnerism’ and adherents Skinnerites. They did, after all and despite Oaks’ lies, try to shock the Gay out of some poor BYU students.

- Doc
Okay, Cam. Well done.

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I have to add that getting me back to church would be even harder than teaching pigeons to bowl.

http://www.behavior.org/resources/453.pdf
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:51 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 pm
I'm going to add a coda here.

I think it's clear that the LDS Church is a behavioralist organization. It really only focuses on behavior. They think that if they can get members to change their behavior, then the hearts and minds will follow. You're told to attend church, not criticize the leaders, pay your tithing, go to the temple, hold family home evening, keep your convents, say your prayers. The assumption is that behavior will modify emotion and thought. The leaders believe this so strongly that they're convinced that if someone leaves the church, it must be because they couldn't hack the prescribed behaviors, but instead, wanted to engage in alternate behaviors (ie, they wanted to sin).

MG reflects this attitude all the time when he talks about non-believers not being able to maintain the disciplined activities demanded of those who 'choose belief in a creator God.' Even belief is reduced to behavioral terms. Put things on a self. Listen to the brethren. Choose to believe. If you can't manage belief, it must be because you are not doing something right.
So, we can start calling modern Mormonism ‘Skinnerism’ and adherents Skinnerites. They did, after all and despite Oaks’ lies, try to shock the Gay out of some poor BYU students.

- Doc
The CoJCoLDS is certainly not humanistic.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:51 pm


So, we can start calling modern Mormonism ‘Skinnerism’ and adherents Skinnerites. They did, after all and despite Oaks’ lies, try to shock the Gay out of some poor BYU students.

- Doc
I was talking more behavioralism (poly sci) than behaviorism (psych). But that works, too.
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Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:44 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:51 pm


So, we can start calling modern Mormonism ‘Skinnerism’ and adherents Skinnerites. They did, after all and despite Oaks’ lies, try to shock the Gay out of some poor BYU students.

- Doc
I was talking more behavioralism (poly sci) than behaviorism (psych). But that works, too.
You left out all the rituals the pigeons do when rewarded with pellets.
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Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:44 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:51 pm


So, we can start calling modern Mormonism ‘Skinnerism’ and adherents Skinnerites. They did, after all and despite Oaks’ lies, try to shock the Gay out of some poor BYU students.

- Doc
I was talking more behavioralism (poly sci) than behaviorism (psych). But that works, too.
I have a bs in psych so I had to go to what I know. All joking aside, it was a very keen observation and a light went on when you wrote what you wrote. Perhaps Mormons can be described as users, and the cojcolds figured out behavioral algorithms before Facebook did.

I should delete this lest the COB figures out it could just create mirror tools like MormBook, Meddit, Mitter, and InstaMorm where they can just keep their users addicted to their digital cages and grazing fields, lest they keep losing them to secular-minded platforms.

- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:27 pm

I have a bs in psych so I had to go to what I know. All joking aside, it was a very keen observation and a light went on when you wrote what you wrote. Perhaps Mormons can be described as users, and the cojcolds figured out behavioral algorithms before Facebook did.

I should delete this lest the COB figures out it could just create mirror tools like MormBook, Meddit, Mitter, and InstaMorm where they can just keep their users addicted to their digital cages and grazing fields, lest they keep losing them to secular-minded platforms.
Ha! No kidding.
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Re: The distance between Christianity and the 4 Gospels

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:06 pm
Morley wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:49 pm
What do you think, MG 2.0? Where are you on all this?
Out working. I’m retired but go out into the schools and do substitute work periodically. Glutton for punishment. 😄
I think you misunderstood, MG. I wasn't accusing you of being AWOL. I was asking for your opinion.
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Morley wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:36 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:06 pm


Out working. I’m retired but go out into the schools and do substitute work periodically. Glutton for punishment. 😄
I think you misunderstood, MG. I wasn't accusing you of being AWOL. I was asking for your opinion.
No worries. Quite the substitute shortage right now. I’ve been out of the system since 2008. I’m probably crazy for going into classrooms and ‘playing’ teacher, but it’s somewhat rewarding. Young folks are a lot of fun. A lot more fun than I have around here. 😂

Today it was 5th graders.

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Re: The distance between Christianity and the 4 Gospels

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Morley wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:36 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:06 pm


Out working. I’m retired but go out into the schools and do substitute work periodically. Glutton for punishment. 😄
I think you misunderstood, MG. I wasn't accusing you of being AWOL. I was asking for your opinion.
well, you got AN opinion. I suppose that's a start. :D
Morley wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 pm
I'm going to add a coda here.

I think it's clear that the LDS Church is a behavioralist organization. It really only focuses on behavior. They think that if they can get members to change their behavior, then the hearts and minds will follow. You're told to attend church, not criticize the leaders, pay your tithing, go to the temple, hold family home evening, keep your convents, say your prayers. The assumption is that behavior will modify emotion and thought....
I agree, but at least when I was in, a lot of the emphasis on behavior was focused on specific behaviors that could be SEEN. As though the appearance of propriety were the important thing, not the actual propriety in character and mindset.

That bugged me quite a bit. It was too much like the Pharisees throwing open their windows to make sure they were SEEN praying.
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