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Yeah, me too. Ripley's always saying, "Hey Dude! Keep up! Learn this new word!" Half my vocabulary study is Ripleyarian in nature.Chap wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:48 amYeah, in early 19th century upstate New York that was a really hot topic.Bret Ripley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:50 amWhen I first starting learning about Mormonism, my wide-eyed self was *very* surprised at the apparent lack of emphasis on patristics. [...]
"Hey Joseph, did you remember to put a good dose of patristics in the cows' evening feed? It really helps raise their milk yield."
"Of course I did - and I've already been to the feed store to top up our reserves. They had a special offer on Origen this week!"
I am sure that there are many sources on which Smith might have drawn, had he considered that doing so would be helpful in his projects (whatever those projects may be thought to have been at any given moment).Kishkumen wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:51 amWell, if you are looking into how Smith might have accessed ideas from the Early Church Fathers, go read Stephen Fleming’s dissertation. Smith could access some of those ideas in a few key reference works, some of which he owned or could have accessed locally.
I can't stand that Ripley bastard. Always putting on airs. If he held his nose any higher he'd have to file a plan with the FAA.Morley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:31 pmYeah, me too. Ripley's always saying, "Hey Dude! Keep up! Learn this new word!" Half my vocabulary study is Ripleyarian in nature.Chap wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:48 am
Yeah, in early 19th century upstate New York that was a really hot topic.
"Hey Joseph, did you remember to put a good dose of patristics in the cows' evening feed? It really helps raise their milk yield."
"Of course I did - and I've already been to the feed store to top up our reserves. They had a special offer on Origen this week!"
Sixty-three axe handles high,Bret Ripley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:49 pmI can't stand that Ripley bastard. Always putting on airs. If he held his nose any higher he'd have to file a plan with the FAA.
As Smith's movement grew, other arguments developed that could be used to assert divine validity. One of these arguments was the use of extra-biblical patristic literature. Mormons have sought patristic differences and similarities to their current beliefs. They argue that similarities show a pure strain of Christianity (proto-Mormonism) which disappeared as mainstream patristic Catholicism (reflected through patristic differences to Mormon belief) pushed it into marginalization and eventual extinction.
Ah. Thank you for the link!Bret Ripley wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:06 pmfor what it's worth: here is a dissertation that addresses the sort of thing I had in mind re sifting early sources while wearing one's 'apologist' hat:
https://epublications.marquette.edu/dis ... AI3210979/
From the Abstract:As Smith's movement grew, other arguments developed that could be used to assert divine validity. One of these arguments was the use of extra-biblical patristic literature. Mormons have sought patristic differences and similarities to their current beliefs. They argue that similarities show a pure strain of Christianity (proto-Mormonism) which disappeared as mainstream patristic Catholicism (reflected through patristic differences to Mormon belief) pushed it into marginalization and eventual extinction.