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I watched and I was absolutely astounded to see you pick up my call, refer to me, and then come back to call me "friends in high places." It was really quite touching, and I love the fact that only a very few people will have any idea to whom you were referring!Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:34 amI left in the part where your phone call interrupted me too Kish! Yer famous now!
Well... I mean... I can't let an insignificant thing like a video recording production get in the way of talking to a great friend and scholar....Kishkumen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:18 pmI watched and I was absolutely astounded to see you pick up my call, refer to me, and then come back to call me "friends in high places." It was really quite touching, and I love the fact that only a very few people will have any idea to whom you were referring!Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:34 amI left in the part where your phone call interrupted me too Kish! Yer famous now!
Why thank you, friend! I am honored!Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:06 amWell... I mean... I can't let an insignificant thing like a video recording production get in the way of talking to a great friend and scholar....
Oh man, and yourself too! I have to get back over to NOM! Yes, this is a stellar suggestion...
I'd love to watch this.Bought Yahoo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:03 pmStart with me. I'll debate you. You can pick the questions. Just don't make it about me which I know you won't.
I can see Kerry wanting to discuss ideas and issues rather than debating. Are you good to go on a number of issues?Bought Yahoo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:03 pmStart with me. I'll debate you. You can pick the questions. Just don't make it about me which I know you won't.
John Dee was on the cusp of falling out of court when he was persuaded by Kelley's "angels" to search for greener pastures on the continent.Dee's first attempts with several scryers were unsatisfactory, but in 1582 he met Edward Kelley (then calling himself Edward Talbot to disguise his conviction for "coining" or forgery), who impressed him greatly with his abilities. Dee took Kelley into his service and began to devote all his energies to his supernatural pursuits.
I don't know if the Angel Uriel threatened him with a drawn sword, but Kelley told Dee that the time had come to start "swinging".In 1583, Dee met the impoverished yet popular Polish nobleman Albert Łaski, who, after overstaying his welcome at court, invited Dee to accompany him back to Poland. With some prompting by the "angels" (again through Kelley) and by dint of his worsening status at court, Dee decided to do so. He, Kelley, and their families left in September 1583, but Łaski proved to be bankrupt and out of favour in his own country. Dee and Kelley began a nomadic life in Central Europe, meanwhile continuing their spiritual conferences, which Dee detailed in his diaries and almanacs.
In 1587, at a spiritual conference in Bohemia, Kelley told Dee that the angel Uriel had ordered the men to share all their possessions, including their wives. By this time, Kelley had gained some renown as an alchemist and was more sought-after than Dee in this regard: it was a line of work that had prospects for serious and long-term financial gain, especially among the royal families of central Europe. Dee, however, was more interested in communicating with angels, who he believed would help him solve the mysteries of the heavens through mathematics, optics, astrology, science and navigation. Perhaps Kelley in fact wished to end Dee's dependence on him as a diviner at their increasingly lengthy, frequent spiritual conferences. The order for wife-sharing caused Dee anguish, but he apparently did not doubt it was genuine and they apparently shared wives.