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new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:29 am
by Dr. Sunstoned
From the PFS article in the Trib.:
New handbook additions condemn any “threatening, bullying, degrading, violent, or otherwise abusive language or images” posted by members.
Memo to Latter-day Saint social media commenters: Your church has added strong wording to its General Handbook, condemning “threatening, bullying, degrading, violent, or otherwise abusive language or images online.”

No groups or individuals are specifically named, but there is no exception for those claiming to defend The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including users associated with @DezNat (or Deseret Nation), who frequently employ harsh rhetoric and drawings of knives and guns to attack church critics or Latter-day Saint progressives.
Additionally, the church seems to be moving forward with slightly more openness to more “culturally diverse music” in church meetings and allowance to use instruments other than a piano or organ.
“Sacred music that is written or sung in culturally diverse musical styles may help unify congregations,” the text says. “Music coordinators and priesthood leaders may include a variety of appropriate musical styles that appeal to members of various backgrounds.”
Other noted changes:
Removal of the policy that required a mission president’s approval before baptizing a person “who violated the law of chastity with someone of the same sex.”
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/12 ... ct-online/

This seems to be a slight change in direction. Perhaps the Q15 has hired a new consulting firm.

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:47 am
by drumdude
It has fallen on deaf ears.
“DCP” wrote: Contrary to the reputation that’s been carefully cultivated for me in some circles over the best decade or two, I’ve never favored nor enjoyed no-holds-barred internet fisticuffs. Nor have I ever supported personal attacks.



People who really know me, I think, will have no problem believing that, in fact, I’m very far from the image of the mean-spirited attack dog that some cherish of me.



I do believe that frank disagreement and honest argument are necessary on occasion. However, I don’t attack other faiths — I have a long record precisely to the contrary, in many scores of columns for the Deseret News, in books and articles and public lectures, in my classroom teaching, in my establishment of Brigham Young University’s Islamic Translation Series and Middle Eastern Texts Initiative, in outreach efforts over decades on five continents — but I also believe that I have a responsibility to defend my own faith against attacks on it. And I will do so.



If others refrain from attacking my beliefs, I’ll happily spend most of my time and effort in positively advocating those beliefs. But I won’t back down if they’re assaulted.

Still, even then, my focus is not, and never has been, on the personalities of others.



Unfortunately, contemporary discourse — particularly online — all too often goes immediately for the jugular, for the polemics of personal destruction. I myself receive anonymous hate mail virtually every day and, not infrequently, multiple times daily. And I’ve been receiving such hate mail for years now.



So I just want to post an appeal. It seems especially appropriate to the Christmas season, though we shouldn’t require the holidays to remind us to be kind:



When you’re disposed to attack somebody who’s a more or less public figure, please remember that even public figures have private lives. They’re people. They have families. They have feelings, worries, concerns. They may be going through tough times. They may well be suffering “sorrow that the eye can’t see.” And the odds are reasonably strong that they’re trying to be decent people, and to do good.



When you feel like letting a blogger have it, or writing an insulting letter to a newspaper columnist, please take a deep breath before you press “Send.”



So much public discourse today, online and elsewhere, is almost unbelievably crass, coarse, cruel, defamatory, and uncharitable.



I have a longtime acquaintance who writes on religious issues for a major daily newspaper here in Utah. She tells me that she simply can’t bring herself to look at reader comments on her articles anymore, because, so often, they’re so horribly unpleasant. And I know exactly what she means. I sometimes wonder what people are like in daily life who can be so consistently callous and nasty in public forums. I don’t understand them, and I hope I never will.



Not very eloquent, these thoughts. Not well organized. Not deep. But deeply felt.
The prophets advice seems to have hit a nerve.

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:21 am
by IHAQ
drumdude wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:47 am
It has fallen on deaf ears.
“DCP” wrote: Contrary to the reputation that’s been carefully cultivated for me in some circles over the best decade or two, I’ve never favored nor enjoyed no-holds-barred internet fisticuffs. Nor have I ever supported personal attacks.



People who really know me, I think, will have no problem believing that, in fact, I’m very far from the image of the mean-spirited attack dog that some cherish of me.



I do believe that frank disagreement and honest argument are necessary on occasion. However, I don’t attack other faiths — I have a long record precisely to the contrary, in many scores of columns for the Deseret News, in books and articles and public lectures, in my classroom teaching, in my establishment of Brigham Young University’s Islamic Translation Series and Middle Eastern Texts Initiative, in outreach efforts over decades on five continents — but I also believe that I have a responsibility to defend my own faith against attacks on it. And I will do so.



If others refrain from attacking my beliefs, I’ll happily spend most of my time and effort in positively advocating those beliefs. But I won’t back down if they’re assaulted.

Still, even then, my focus is not, and never has been, on the personalities of others.



Unfortunately, contemporary discourse — particularly online — all too often goes immediately for the jugular, for the polemics of personal destruction. I myself receive anonymous hate mail virtually every day and, not infrequently, multiple times daily. And I’ve been receiving such hate mail for years now.



So I just want to post an appeal. It seems especially appropriate to the Christmas season, though we shouldn’t require the holidays to remind us to be kind:



When you’re disposed to attack somebody who’s a more or less public figure, please remember that even public figures have private lives. They’re people. They have families. They have feelings, worries, concerns. They may be going through tough times. They may well be suffering “sorrow that the eye can’t see.” And the odds are reasonably strong that they’re trying to be decent people, and to do good.



When you feel like letting a blogger have it, or writing an insulting letter to a newspaper columnist, please take a deep breath before you press “Send.”



So much public discourse today, online and elsewhere, is almost unbelievably crass, coarse, cruel, defamatory, and uncharitable.



I have a longtime acquaintance who writes on religious issues for a major daily newspaper here in Utah. She tells me that she simply can’t bring herself to look at reader comments on her articles anymore, because, so often, they’re so horribly unpleasant. And I know exactly what she means. I sometimes wonder what people are like in daily life who can be so consistently callous and nasty in public forums. I don’t understand them, and I hope I never will.



Not very eloquent, these thoughts. Not well organized. Not deep. But deeply felt.
The prophets advice seems to have hit a nerve.
He’s already visibly seething in his own comments section of that article after the first comment pointed out that he has been guilty of the behaviour he’s asking others to amend.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... arity.html

A simple response of “Yes, I’ve behaved in a manner contrary to that now being specified in the new edition of the CHI. Like everyone else, I just try to do better. I will try and set an example here on my own blog and will be encouraging everyone else to do likewise.” would have shown self awareness. But no.

I don’t think he’ll accept that the changes in the CHI have anything to do with his own behaviour nor that of his cronies.

When you think about his poor online behaviour towards others, the hit pieces etc and that of his cabal (Metcalfe is a Butthead etc) you’d think he would avoid pontificating to others that they need to improve their behaviour. Something about dealing with the beam in one’s own eye…something something something.

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:56 am
by Kishkumen
I am heartened that LDS leaders are taking action on this problem. And the changes regarding music are positive too! Will they allow Latin to be sung, too?

I am also glad to see that DCP feels for his friend’s experience being attacked in the Comments section. I am not surprised that he does not see his role in fostering negative online interactions while Lou Midgley litters SeN with slams on gemli and others.

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:49 pm
by Moksha
There is considerable Nazi defense going on at MDDB as a result of this handbook change. I suppose that was to be expected when the Church singled out the Deseret Nazis as an example of bad behavior.

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/74 ... ay-saints/

The Nehor is anti-Nazi and that rankles Smac, who wishes to take them a plate of cookies (but purely for conversion purposes since these new Handbook guidelines have been released).

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:23 pm
by Doctor CamNC4Me
Lol@The_Nehor for posting a tutorial on how to punch someone:

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/74 ... 1210068261

:lol: :lol: :lol:

He had to google how to punch someone, and thought so much of his discovery he posted it. Good stuff. Top notch stuff.

eta: Just to clarify I think it’s somewhat reflective of the Internet Mormons to start a fight the day the cult tells its people to chill out and be Christlike, or else. :lol: And then The Nehor starts advocating for antifa violence. It’s amazing.

- Doc

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:27 pm
by drumdude
This is almost as fun as the 2012 purge.

It’s cute that DCP thinks the church leadership have his back, then he gets blindsided yet again. He’s just a brown shirt, not in the fascist sense but in the expendable goon sense.

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:54 pm
by Doctor Scratch
Somebody should ask DCP if he’s going to continue posting links to “Neville Neville Land,” especially this Christmas season.

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:10 pm
by drumdude
Doctor Scratch wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:54 pm
Somebody should ask DCP if he’s going to continue posting links to “Neville Neville Land,” especially this Christmas season.
That’s just him defending himself from the horrors of other believing Mormons

Re: new CHI tells members to clean up their act (online)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:45 pm
by Everybody Wang Chung
Doctor Scratch wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:54 pm
Somebody should ask DCP if he’s going to continue posting links to “Neville Neville Land,” especially this Christmas season.
Great question.

I also wonder if Midgley will now stop sending DCP those daily “hate” mails?