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Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:00 pm
by Bought Yahoo
drumdude wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:16 pm
Bought Yahoo wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:45 pm


God you are a f...g moron. Give me an example where a provable fraud religion gets a religious exemption from paying taxes
S C I E N T O L O G Y

You're as thick as DCP's fanny alger.
So what court in the land has held scientology a provable fraud.

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:03 pm
by Bought Yahoo
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:26 pm
Bought Yahoo wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:45 pm
God you are a f...g moron. Give me an example where a provable fraud religion gets a religious exemption from paying taxes
How about Mormonism.
What court or admin agency has so held. And they do hold. A Pasadena church lost its exemption by devoting more than 50 percent of its effort against the Gulf War.

Look. I don't believe in tax exemption for religion. At all. But you're the biggest buffoon here on the issue.

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:20 pm
by drumdude
Bought Yahoo wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:00 pm
drumdude wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:16 pm


S C I E N T O L O G Y

You're as thick as DCP's fanny alger.
So what court in the land has held scientology a provable fraud.
It's like talking to a brick. You're useless.

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:50 pm
by Bought Yahoo
drumdude wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:20 pm
Bought Yahoo wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:00 pm


So what court in the land has held scientology a provable fraud.
It's like talking to a brick. You're useless.
Answer my question you dolt.

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:50 pm
by Bought Yahoo
The lesson here, friends, about the "Letter to an IRS Director," is that such a letter is completely meaningless as to whether the Church has taken actions to lead to the loss of its tax exemption. (I particularly oppose tax exemptions for charities and religions.) As the IRS has taken no administrative position in response to the letter, then the conclusion must be that there was no wrong. (In administrative law, the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.)

Particular criticism is made of the Church's failure to donate to charitable causes -- floods, earthquakes, pet cats that need rescuing, AIDs, hurricanes, and the like. That particular criticism isn't true, but the Church's use of the interest on its mega-endowment is in fact being used to construct temples and meeting houses, run missions and, yes, support further investments in the endowment such as City Creek and bailouts. These are all religious missions. The New Testament talks about the Church receiving wealth from donations and testamentary transfers, so this is nothing new or unprecedented. If the Church's EPA is expending all of its surplus solely upon Church projects, then it is fulfilling the objective of the tax law.

The tax law takes no position as to whether a religion is a legitimate religion. But, if the 501(c)(3) takes on secular projects in excess of 50% of its purported religious mission, it may lose its tax exempt status. There is history of that, recent history.

I don't give a sheet as to how much money the Church has, just as I don't give a sheet as to how much my next door neighbors have. It has no effect on me. Am I at peace? Am I confortable with my charitable donations. If yes, it doesn't matter what somebody else has. Really.

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:11 pm
by drumdude
:roll:

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:11 pm
by Doctor CamNC4Me
Bought Yahoo wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:00 pm
drumdude wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:16 pm


S C I E N T O L O G Y

You're as thick as DCP's fanny alger.
So what court in the land has held scientology a provable fraud.
France. Or are you just talking about the US?

- Doc

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:53 pm
by drumdude
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:11 pm
Bought Yahoo wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:00 pm


So what court in the land has held scientology a provable fraud.
France. Or are you just talking about the US?

- Doc
He's best left ignored...

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:11 am
by Moksha
drumdude wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:53 pm
He's best left ignored...
Bob could simply be on a high after hearing a favorable e-meter reading.

Re: Letter to an IRS Director

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:34 pm
by Morley
Bought Yahoo wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:50 pm
The lesson here, friends, about the "Letter to an IRS Director," is that such a letter is completely meaningless as to whether the Church has taken actions to lead to the loss of its tax exemption. (I particularly oppose tax exemptions for charities and religions.) As the IRS has taken no administrative position in response to the letter, then the conclusion must be that there was no wrong. (In administrative law, the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.)

Particular criticism is made of the Church's failure to donate to charitable causes -- floods, earthquakes, pet cats that need rescuing, AIDs, hurricanes, and the like. That particular criticism isn't true, but the Church's use of the interest on its mega-endowment is in fact being used to construct temples and meeting houses, run missions and, yes, support further investments in the endowment such as City Creek and bailouts. These are all religious missions. The New Testament talks about the Church receiving wealth from donations and testamentary transfers, so this is nothing new or unprecedented. If the Church's EPA is expending all of its surplus solely upon Church projects, then it is fulfilling the objective of the tax law.

The tax law takes no position as to whether a religion is a legitimate religion. But, if the 501(c)(3) takes on secular projects in excess of 50% of its purported religious mission, it may lose its tax exempt status. There is history of that, recent history.

I don't give a sheet as to how much money the Church has, just as I don't give a sheet as to how much my next door neighbors have. It has no effect on me. Am I at peace? Am I confortable with my charitable donations. If yes, it doesn't matter what somebody else has. Really.
Thank you, Bought. I'm pretty sure you've hit on the uncomfortable truth. This is a wee essay on "The Banal Evil of Religious Exemptions in the US Tax Code."