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Is it? I can see an argument that Diogenes was his times' equivalent of a troll. But Socrates? Socratic irony was a technique he used in support of arguments -- not just to get an emotional reaction out of people.
I guess it depends on who you read.https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... 1E35A0B5B6 /
Again, Christianity indoctrinated the Russians to believe that their leader was something more than a human ruler.Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:16 amI propose that the "causes" of Stalin are many, and largely contingent. When belief in some kind of Supreme Being or other is historically near universal, it is always easy to claim some causal connection between anything and religion. Under DT's standard, we can argue that religion is the cause of everything, good and bad. It's an argument that reflects prejudice rather than reason.
Very few, if any, will read the abstract and linked article. I took a look at both, but are there excepts in particular you want us to note?Rivendale wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:39 pmI guess it depends on who you read.https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... 1E35A0B5B6 /
Or https://the-artifice.com/art-of-trolling/
Not really. I guess it depends on definitions. One excerpt denies the troll accusation.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:08 pmVery few, if any, will read the abstract and linked article. I took a look at both, but are there excepts in particular you want us to note?Rivendale wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:39 pm
I guess it depends on who you read.https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... 1E35A0B5B6 /
Or https://the-artifice.com/art-of-trolling/
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While the other supports.One might wonder whether there is an art of trolling and an excellence; and indeed some say that Socrates was a troll, and so that the good man also trolls. And this is in fact what the troll claims: that he is a gadfly and beneficial, and without him to ‘stir up’ the thread it would become dull and unintelligent. But this is incorrect. For Socrates was speaking frankly when he told the Athenians to care for their souls, rather than money and honors, and showed that they lacked knowledge.
Socrates sets a series of verbal and logical traps to make his opposition incapable of responding in a reasonable fashion. Socrates even goes as far as to set a double standard, telling Gorgias the same time that he is asking the Sophist to engage within a dialogue that if he is to speak with Socrates, he can only respond using the briefest responses (88). Meanwhile, Socrates throughout the dialogue uses lengthy responses- some even last for multiple pages.
Aristotle all appear to exhibit behavior that adheres to the Urban Dictionary definition of trolling, quoted above, “the art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off… using dialogue.”
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:38 pmI have with trolls is they talk at people with no regard for adjusting their own knowledge, philosophy, or opinion on a matter.
Not all countries believe their leader is divine. The Russians blindly followed their leader.huckelberry wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:39 amRussian people may well have had a social concern for an orderly government. People in every country do this.
I am not sure. I think most communist in Russia were Christian.huckelberry wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:39 amAnother angle to look at the overlap is to notice that the communists who are force that create who Stalin was and put and maintained him in power were incidentally atheists but nobody is just an atheist. They have ideas.
You mean they talk at you rather than with you? I get that. Happened on this thread. Weaving and dodging valid criticism as they continue to fan the embers of a mythological belief system.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:38 pmThanks for that! I think it’s a delicate space that exists between a good conversationalist and a troll. The problem I have with trolls is they talk at people with no regard for adjusting their own knowledge, philosophy, or opinion on a matter. They waste people’s time because they act in bad faith, enjoying the act of inflicting conflict on others while never intending to increase their own knowledge on the subject at hand. I don’t mind polemicists as long as they can admit wrongdoing or acknowledge they learned something. Conflict isn’t bad, especially in a discussion forum, but an infinite loop of bad acting, to me, is the worst kind of trolling.
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