"The Book of Mormon surpasses all known pseudo-archaic writings in breadth and depth of archaism"

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"The Book of Mormon surpasses all known pseudo-archaic writings in breadth and depth of archaism"

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https://journal.interpreterfoundation.o ... hat-usage/

A Comparison of the Book of Mormon’s Subordinate That Usage
Abstract: This paper compares the Book of Mormon’s subordinate that usage with what is found in the King James Bible, pseudo-archaic writings, and the greater textual record. In this linguistic domain, the Book of Mormon manifests as thoroughly archaic, and it surpasses all known pseudo-archaic writings in breadth and depth of archaism. The implications of this set of linguistic data indicate that the translation as originally dictated by Joseph Smith cannot plausibly be explained as the result of Joseph’s own word choices, but it is consistent with the hypothesis that the wording was somehow provided to him.
Pretty bold claim.
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drumdude wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:19 am
https://journal.interpreterfoundation.o ... hat-usage/

A Comparison of the Book of Mormon’s Subordinate That Usage
Abstract: This paper compares the Book of Mormon’s subordinate that usage with what is found in the King James Bible, pseudo-archaic writings, and the greater textual record. In this linguistic domain, the Book of Mormon manifests as thoroughly archaic, and it surpasses all known pseudo-archaic writings in breadth and depth of archaism. The implications of this set of linguistic data indicate that the translation as originally dictated by Joseph Smith cannot plausibly be explained as the result of Joseph’s own word choices, but it is consistent with the hypothesis that the wording was somehow provided to him.
Pretty bold claim.
Lol.... well, they keep on a tryin... looks entirely harmless and confirmation biasing to me.
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Well, but this has just been published in a major international linguistics journal, people. It’ll have gotten a good sniff test from an editor with high standing in the field, and then been carefully vetted by a couple of experts. Given the somewhat controversial subject, in fact, the editor will likely have made a point of sending this paper for review by some prominent professors.

Reviewers of that caliber are not going to have thought for a moment about Smith being given his words by a miraculous stone, but they’ll certainly have been open to the possibility that he found and copied some previously unknown older manuscript. They still won’t have been convinced by this paper that Smith didn’t just make up his text, but from the fact that they recommended publication in this highly reputed secular journal of linguistics, we can be confident that the paper does at least make a respectable case for its conclusion.

We should respect this dispassionate academic judgement by professional experts. That’s what genuine academic journals are for, after all; we need to give them due credit.

If we treated such serious journals as if they were no better than in-house anything-goes preaching-to-the-choir online outlets, why, people might begin to think that publications in sources like, oh, Interpreter, say, were actually worth something more than a personal blog post. And then where would we be?
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Re: "The Book of Mormon surpasses all known pseudo-archaic writings in breadth and depth of archaism"

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I've been saying for months that this forum needs to set up its own Journal. We can just upload posts verbatim from here to there and we'll be in the running to compete with Interpreter.
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Re: "The Book of Mormon surpasses all known pseudo-archaic writings in breadth and depth of archaism"

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Mormon god:

Why did you complicate things by having the ghost committee involved in this? Is Early Modern English your favorite language next to the pure Adamic? Nevertheless, couldn't you have simply dictated the thing to poor Joseph Smith like you supposedly did with the Book of Moses? You added unnecessary complexity to the process and increased the chances of mistakes. One would think you would have learned your lesson with the Bible and how you allowed years of oral transmission prior to having someone finally write the thing down. Think of all the confusion that caused. It looks deliberate on your part, designed to confuse. Surely, you are a better communicator than that? Direct communication is always the best, sir, but you surely don't need me to tell you that. When you killed all those people in the Bible and Book of Mormon, you were pretty clear in your communication there. However, you seem to have righted the ship with Rusty and his magic noctural pen. Those scheduling changes were timely and simply amazing. From three hours to two really made a difference in keeping the saints awake and alert. The constant repetition at church doesn't seem so monotonous now. Still, sars-cov-2 wasn't your finest hour.

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Re: "The Book of Mormon surpasses all known pseudo-archaic writings in breadth and depth of archaism"

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Cassius University New Testament Studies?
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drumdude wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:15 pm
I've been saying for months that this forum needs to set up its own Journal. We can just upload posts verbatim from here to there and we'll be in the running to compete with Interpreter.
Oh our journal would be vastly superior to Interpreter. We would actually have logic and evidence on our side, not just testimony and Mormon Bayes Theorem tinkering. Actually, your suggestion here ought to be looked into more strongly come to think of it.
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consiglieri wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:07 pm
Cassius University New Testament Studies?
I would propose something along the lines of Cassius University Religious Studies. It would need to be more broad than the New Testament. After all, we would be reviewing the joke of Interpreter I suspect, not to mention other LDS publications...
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Waiting patiently for the joke to land …
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consiglieri wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:56 pm
Waiting patiently for the joke to land …
A letter to the Guardian newspaper in April 2006:
In my Cambridge days, some innocent young theologians set up the Cambridge University New Testament Society (In the coils of an acronym, G2, April 10). It was a refreshingly long time before anyone enlightened them.
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