ONLY begotten Son

[Kishkumen]

I can’t answer for Kish, but rest assured, he is loved by the Lord, it will be exactly where the Lord has planned, and that from before the foundation of the world, and to His glory alone.

I’m not sure how one would expect an answer to this question when the person may or may not have a belief in heaven versus hell. Again, I can’t speak for the one of whom you’ve asked this question.

I tend to think of my fellow posters as living testimonies of the Lord working in their lives. We are all on a spiritual journey and each in his or her own place, and pace in that journey. In my participation on the board(s) over the past 20 years, God has revealed a lot to me about myself, Himself, and others. At times, many times, He has disciplined me severely, and changed my way of thinking. It is freeing LN, to trust the Lord to work in the hearts of people, as only He can do. He is always at work drawing men to Himself.

I’ve got to do a weather check.

Thank you. I appreciate your lovely and kind words.

[Philo Sofee]

LN
Well, I definitely take the Bible from an exegesis point of view and allow the Bible to explain itself.

This is an eisegetical method LN... The Bible has never explained itself, otherwise there would have been no millenia of war of words and swords over its meaning.

[LittleNipper]

LN
Well, I definitely take the Bible from an exegesis point of view and allow the Bible to explain itself.

This is an eisegetical method LN... The Bible has never explained itself, otherwise there would have been no millenia of war of words and swords over its meaning.

What I mean is that a verse in the Bible cannot be explained apart from the rest of the Bible. If a verse sounds contrary, it must be studied in comparison with the rest of the "story". The reason that people fight wars over "religion" is because either side wishes to be in control ------ GOD is usually left out of the picture. The Bible reveals itself. "In the beginning GOD created," is so very simple that a child may understand it. It's the ones who wish to explain GOD in their image rather than the other way around that cause the trouble.

[Philo Sofee]

This is an eisegetical method LN... The Bible has never explained itself, otherwise there would have been no millenia of war of words and swords over its meaning.

What I mean is that a verse in the Bible cannot be explained apart from the rest of the Bible. If a verse sounds contrary, it must be studied in comparison with the rest of the "story". The reason that people fight wars over "religion" is because either side wishes to be in control ------ GOD is usually left out of the picture. The Bible reveals itself. "In the beginning GOD created," is so very simple that a child may understand it. It's the ones who wish to explain GOD in their image rather than the other way around that cause the trouble.

God has always only ever been explained in someone's image, it has never been otherwise, nor can it be. What I suspect you are missing is it is all eisegesis, including that of the original author of the biblical concepts...

[Philo Sofee]

LN
What I mean is that a verse in the Bible cannot be explained apart from the rest of the Bible.

Not in your own eisegetical method, no. That hardly stops others from doing so however...

[Fence Sitter]

LN
What I mean is that a verse in the Bible cannot be explained apart from the rest of the Bible.

Not in your own eisegetical method, no. That hardly stops others from doing so however...

Ironically, LN uses the same proof-texting method to explain the Bible that most Mormons do.

[LittleNipper]

Not in your own eisegetical method, no. That hardly stops others from doing so however...

Ironically, LN uses the same proof-texting method to explain the Bible that most Mormons do.

But that would also mean that the LDS Book of Mormon should in no way be contrary to the Bible.

[Doctor Steuss]

I can’t answer for Kish, but rest assured, he is loved by the Lord, it will be exactly where the Lord has planned, and that from before the foundation of the world, and to His glory alone.

I’m not sure how one would expect an answer to this question when the person may or may not have a belief in heaven versus hell. Again, I can’t speak for the one of whom you’ve asked this question.

I tend to think of my fellow posters as living testimonies of the Lord working in their lives. We are all on a spiritual journey and each in his or her own place, and pace in that journey. In my participation on the board(s) over the past 20 years, God has revealed a lot to me about myself, Himself, and others. At times, many times, He has disciplined me severely, and changed my way of thinking. It is freeing LN, to trust the Lord to work in the hearts of people, as only He can do. He is always at work drawing men to Himself.

I’ve got to do a weather check.

What a beautiful post. Thank you for sharing this.

As I read this, it made me think of something my grandfather once said to me. I'm paraphrasing because I was a teen when he said it to me, and don't remember it exactly (and there's a good chance it changes slightly each time I recall it from memory).

We were out at "the ranch" (80 acres of sage brush, and a spring, that he had homesteaded upon getting back from the war). He was leaning on his shovel, looking across a small pasture being irrigated by one of the ponds, and I was doing what I always did when I was helping him -- trying to catch my breath. He didn't really speak much, but when he did it was usually either something deep, or something (sometimes unintentionally) hilarious.

He said, "I hope that heaven feels this way... infinitely vast, and peaceful. Where you can always find yourself in a spot where there is nothing else but you and love."

Then with a wry grin, he looked at me from the corner of his eye: "If it doesn't feel infinitely vast, hopefully most of the people who tell me they are going to heaven aren't actually going to make it there."

If there's a heaven, and I by chance find myself there, I hope it is populated by those who are like you.

[Philo Sofee]

Ironically, LN uses the same proof-texting method to explain the Bible that most Mormons do.

But that would also mean that the LDS Book of Mormon should in no way be contrary to the Bible.

As if the Bible is not contrary to the Bible... We are all human LN, there is no perfect consistency anywhere, nor should we expect it.

[Philo Sofee]

I can’t answer for Kish, but rest assured, he is loved by the Lord, it will be exactly where the Lord has planned, and that from before the foundation of the world, and to His glory alone.

I’m not sure how one would expect an answer to this question when the person may or may not have a belief in heaven versus hell. Again, I can’t speak for the one of whom you’ve asked this question.

I tend to think of my fellow posters as living testimonies of the Lord working in their lives. We are all on a spiritual journey and each in his or her own place, and pace in that journey. In my participation on the board(s) over the past 20 years, God has revealed a lot to me about myself, Himself, and others. At times, many times, He has disciplined me severely, and changed my way of thinking. It is freeing LN, to trust the Lord to work in the hearts of people, as only He can do. He is always at work drawing men to Himself.

I’ve got to do a weather check.

What a beautiful post. Thank you for sharing this.

As I read this, it made me think of something my grandfather once said to me. I'm paraphrasing because I was a teen when he said it to me, and don't remember it exactly (and there's a good chance it changes slightly each time I recall it from memory).

We were out at "the ranch" (80 acres of sage brush, and a spring, that he had homesteaded upon getting back from the war). He was leaning on his shovel, looking across a small pasture being irrigated by one of the ponds, and I was doing what I always did when I was helping him -- trying to catch my breath. He didn't really speak much, but when he did it was usually either something deep, or something (sometimes unintentionally) hilarious.

He said, "I hope that heaven feels this way... infinitely vast, and peaceful. Where you can always find yourself in a spot where there is nothing else but you and love."

Then with a wry grin, he looked at me from the corner of his eye: "If it doesn't feel infinitely vast, hopefully most of the people who tell me they are going to heaven aren't actually going to make it there."

If there's a heaven, and I by chance find myself there, I hope it is populated by those who are like you.

BOTH of you gave us beautiful posts, THANK YOU.