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ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:10 pm
by Tim
How do LDS handle the description as Jesus as the Father's ONLY begotten son in light of the idea that we are all literally the progeny of God?
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:39 pm
by malkie
Tim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:10 pm
How do LDS handle the description as Jesus as the Father's ONLY begotten son in light of the idea that we are all literally the progeny of God?
Perhaps it's that LDS don't believe that God had sex with every mother on earth for every child of that mother.
https://mormonquotes.com/God_had_sex_with_Mary
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:39 pm
by drumdude
"We believe in the Bible in asmuch as it is translated correctly."
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:58 pm
by Res Ipsa
malkie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:39 pm
Tim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:10 pm
How do LDS handle the description as Jesus as the Father's ONLY begotten son in light of the idea that we are all literally the progeny of God?
Perhaps it's that LDS don't believe that God had sex with every mother on earth for every child of that mother.
https://mormonquotes.com/God_had_sex_with_Mary
That’s the way I recall it. It’s the interpretation of “begotten.”
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:08 pm
by Doctor Steuss
Tim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:10 pm
How do LDS handle the description as Jesus as the Father's ONLY begotten son in light of the idea that we are all literally the progeny of God?
Hi Tim,
How I had it explained to me as a weee lad, is that God is the Father of all of our spirits (including that of Jesus).
Jesus is the only one who also has God as the Father of his physical body. We're all rolling around with XX or XY, but Jesus got XYAΩ. I never personally heard it advanced that God physically had sex with Mary though (it was always described as it was done "by the Holy Ghost," or "through the Holy Spirit."
Of course, this does make the case of Adam a little weird...
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:10 am
by malkie
Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:08 pm
Tim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:10 pm
How do LDS handle the description as Jesus as the Father's ONLY begotten son in light of the idea that we are all literally the progeny of God?
Hi Tim,
How I had it explained to me as a weee lad, is that God is the Father of all of our spirits (including that of Jesus).
Jesus is the only one who also has God as the Father of his physical body. We're all rolling around with XX or XY, but Jesus got XYAΩ. I never personally heard it advanced that God physically had sex with Mary though (it was always described as it was done "by the Holy Ghost," or "through the Holy Spirit."
Of course, this does make the case of Adam a little weird...
For reference to "God physically had sex with Mary", check the link in my reply to Tim's OP.
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:04 am
by IHAQ
Basically, God has only ever had real sex once (and with a married woman!). When you think about it, that explains why He was so angry in the Old Testament, and a bit more relaxed in the New.
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:15 am
by sock puppet
IHAQ wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:04 am
Basically, God has only ever had real sex once (and with a married woman!). When you think about it, that explains why He was so angry in the Old Testament, and a bit more relaxed in the New.
Maybe Noah's flood was a wet ______...after years of pent up frustration.
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:34 pm
by Doctor Steuss
malkie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:10 am
For reference to "God physically had sex with Mary", check the link in my reply to Tim's OP.
Thank you Malkie. I'm aware of all of the leaders who have advanced the idea. I was just noting that I personally never heard it while I was a member.
Re: ONLY begotten Son
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:47 pm
by dastardly stem
Yes, Malkie got the LDS view. Its basically the same as the traditional view adding sex.
God says to the ladies of this earth:
Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.
I snuck into relief society one time and caught them using this verse to say they basically all were f-ing God. They then proceeded to tell each other their jobs as women was to make their men feel like God, Jesus says so. It was all very uplifting.