Kerry Muhlestein buys a book

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Kerry Muhlestein buys a book

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A Facebook friend shared this with me. A Facebook friend shared this with me. You didn't hear this from me . . .There is a meeting of Egyptologists going on in California. At the meeting book sellers set their books out for people to peruse and order. They sell their display copies at a discount. So you pay the discounted price but leave the book there until the meeting is over, then pick them up at the end. They hold your book by putting a sticker in the book with your name on it. My informant said that Tamas Mekis's book on "The Hypocephalus" was one of the display books but it had a sticker--someone bought it. The name on the sticker was "Muhlestein"

Fortunately I have a copy gifted from Dr Mekis. It will be interesting how he uses it.

I informed Dr Mekis

"Dear Noel,

Hope you are fine! I am still ill. About three weeks ago, with three shots behind me, I caught the COVID (omikron version). I had a sore throat and fever, after a week, it seemed that I recovered and the test showed negative results, so far I have had a cough that I cannot get rid of.

Hope you are well Noel!

I thank you for the information on the "strange purchaser". I will be curious about his critics that I may receive from now onwards.

Take care!

Best wishes,
Tamás"

The isssue of the facsimiles seems to be an issue of division among LDS scholars with Royal Skousen suggesting they be ommitted from the Book of Abraham along with those verses that refer to the facsimiles. On his cv page Dr Skousen seems to suggest that the facsimiles be removed:

https://humanities.byu.edu/wp-content/u ... -J2019.pdf

See page 38. The contents of the Book of Abraham were I understand given by revelation.
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I informed Dr Mekis
"Dear Noel,
??? Dr. Mekis's first name is Tamas, not Noel. I'm guessing Noel is your Facebook friend?
I will be curious about his critics that I may receive from now onwards.
I didn't know critics were transferrable. Does he mean critiques?
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Dr Mekis is Hungarian and maybe his English needs improving.
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Hi Noel,

I was just at this conference. I didn’t see Gee or Muhlestein’s papers. I was approached by both, but I have no time for such gaslighting.

Have you read Robert Ritner’s book or watched any of his YouTube’s? I assume so, but if you haven’t, please check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H70IdpLHhZE

Unfortunately Ritner has succumbed to kidney failure and can no longer fight. But he devastated Gee and Muhlestein so that they no longer deserve any attention.

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I'm assuming, Hauslern, you are Noel and you have personally been in touch with Drs Mekis and Cooney regarding their impressions of Gee and Muhlestein's Book of Abraham work?

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Re: Kerry Muhlestein buys a book

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Royal:

Noel has misrepresented what I said. And I’ve said very, very little (and, even then, only a while ago and only in response to a specific question from him) about your view. I don’t presume to speak for you and would never do so.

A former member of the Church in Australia, Noel constantly writes to scholars in and out of the Church trying to get them to say things critical of Joseph Smith and the Restoration. He’s been at it for many years.

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LOL

“Trying to get scholars to publicly say what they actually think instead of only whispering it to their other scholar friends.”

Mormon apologetics is such a joke.
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Re: Kerry Muhlestein buys a book

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DanielPeterson 11 days ago
noel: "Royal Skousen does not accept Joseph Smith's interpretation of the facsimiles."

I'm well aware of Royal's position on the facsimiles. (He explained it to me most recently just a few days ago while sitting on the sofa in my living room.) It's interesting to me, but I don't necessarily share it.

And I'm well aware that you wrote to him, and of his response to you. You shouldn't distort what I say. Please don't do it again.

noel: "He still accepts the book as scripture "

As do I.

noel: "Why do you? Do you have any compelling evidence."

Here's the first thing that I wrote on the subject:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... y?lang=eng


Here's another piece that I've (co-)written on it:

https://ixtheo.de/Record/1786028417
Copy from Patheos comments section.
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Re: Kerry Muhlestein buys a book

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It would be interesting what Gee and KerryM approached her about. She did not want to get involved in an internet discussion about what was said.
One can point to an article by Hungarian Egyptologist Tamis Mekis in where he disusses the interpretations of various parts of the hypocephalus.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fc7 ... t3DDc/edit
Note on page 271 he shows examples a other hypocephalus which contain the figure in the Book of Abraham figure 2.
If one searches the holdings of the British Museum one finds examples of similar hypocephalus which in my opinion Smith was unaware that the the facsimile was not unique. All I am interested in is the truth. I accept that sometimes I might be wrong. Here we have a LDS scholar (Skousen) placing doubts on the vailidity of Smith's interpretations. Maybe a "the scribes did it" argument is needed.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collectio ... 5hzRooFkQA
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Re: Kerry Muhlestein buys a book

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Holdings in a number of collections of hypocephalus supplied by Dr. Mekis:

Great museums have their online database and thus their hypocephali are available for research.
The Louvre: https://carteles.louvre.fr/en/recherche ... C3%A9phale
Petrie Museum. London: https://petriecat.museums.ucl.ac.uk/brief.aspx
Museo Egizio Turin: https://collezioni.museoegizio.it/it-IT ... =&pharaoh=
Global Egyptian Museum (Brussels, Firenze, Leiden):
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/adv ... ton=Search
Kunsthistorisches Museum (Vienna):
https://www.khm.at/en/objectdb/?id=1122 ... ore%3Adesc
Papyrus Sammlung Vienna: https://search.onb.ac.at/primo-explore/ ... B&offset=0
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