If the policy was then a revelation, wouldn't it be the ROX now?Moksha wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 7:05 amThe Policy of Exclusion. It was from the revelation that the children of same-sex marriages could not be members of the Church unless they reached the age of eighteen, formally renounced their parents, and obtained special permission from the Quorum of the Twelve.
The title was a bit confusing since it started as a policy, but Elder Russell Nelson was giving a youth talk in Hawaii and wanted to embellish what he was saying, so he told the audience that the policy was a revelation from God to President Thomas S. Monson.
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DS,dastardly stem wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 1:41 pm
All atheists and theists are agnostic in a sense. They aren't different sets of the same category, as I see it. Agnostic is a category defining knowledge or lack thereof. Theist or atheist is a category defining belief. I tend to think no one really knows. I'd see myself as an atheist, and more particularly an agnostic person who doesn't see good reason for a god concept in the world--and definitely no evidence or rational reason to believe at this stage. Of course it's all pending for me.
This is very famlilar to me.
If you're looking for a truth claim that makes sense, this particular author has a tremendously compelling way of making sense on the God question: David Bentley Hart, The Experience of God. And I don't say that because of any Latter-day Saint bias--Hart's ideas about God are very different from those you heard at church, and probably different from any you've encountered.dastardly stem wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 1:41 pmI'd be happy to find reason to jump on board any truth claim that makes sense.
If I'd read this book when I was an atheist, it would have been a complete shocker. Well worth it.
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I've never read Hart. But all the reviews make it seem like a book well worth reading, I shall have to jump on it. Thanks for the recommendation. I have found I rather enjoy books when the reviews are both sided, many negative ones, and many positive ones. That, to me, means the author is making people actually think as they read, always a good book has followed when I buy a book with both kinds of reviews. And this particular book has both kinds, and in quite dramatic fashion! Thanks Don.Don Bradley wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:26 amDS,dastardly stem wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 1:41 pm
All atheists and theists are agnostic in a sense. They aren't different sets of the same category, as I see it. Agnostic is a category defining knowledge or lack thereof. Theist or atheist is a category defining belief. I tend to think no one really knows. I'd see myself as an atheist, and more particularly an agnostic person who doesn't see good reason for a god concept in the world--and definitely no evidence or rational reason to believe at this stage. Of course it's all pending for me.
This is very famlilar to me.
If you're looking for a truth claim that makes sense, this particular author has a tremendously compelling way of making sense on the God question: David Bentley Hart, The Experience of God. And I don't say that because of any Latter-day Saint bias--Hart's ideas about God are very different from those you heard at church, and probably different from any you've encountered.dastardly stem wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 1:41 pmI'd be happy to find reason to jump on board any truth claim that makes sense.
If I'd read this book when I was an atheist, it would have been a complete shocker. Well worth it.
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I've skimmed it before on previous recommendations. You know sitting in a library and thumbing through it a bit. I won't give my impressions until I read it through. I just picked it up on this latest recommendation. Thanks.Don Bradley wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:26 amDS,dastardly stem wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 1:41 pm
All atheists and theists are agnostic in a sense. They aren't different sets of the same category, as I see it. Agnostic is a category defining knowledge or lack thereof. Theist or atheist is a category defining belief. I tend to think no one really knows. I'd see myself as an atheist, and more particularly an agnostic person who doesn't see good reason for a god concept in the world--and definitely no evidence or rational reason to believe at this stage. Of course it's all pending for me.
This is very famlilar to me.
If you're looking for a truth claim that makes sense, this particular author has a tremendously compelling way of making sense on the God question: David Bentley Hart, The Experience of God. And I don't say that because of any Latter-day Saint bias--Hart's ideas about God are very different from those you heard at church, and probably different from any you've encountered.dastardly stem wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 1:41 pmI'd be happy to find reason to jump on board any truth claim that makes sense.
If I'd read this book when I was an atheist, it would have been a complete shocker. Well worth it.
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I don't remember the precise name. It had "Bible" and "Mormon" and "Discussion" in it. It was a Facebook forum.msnobody wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 2:10 pmJust curious, on what other Internet forum did you previously post?
I did a Google search on "Mormonism", and it picked up this forum.What brought you to this forum?
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Glad you’re here.KevinSim wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:55 pmI don't remember the precise name. It had "Bible" and "Mormon" and "Discussion" in it. It was a Facebook forum.msnobody wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 2:10 pmJust curious, on what other Internet forum did you previously post?I did a Google search on "Mormonism", and it picked up this forum.What brought you to this forum?
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That was me. I don't have any more clarity on what a "good thing" is now or how to preserve it. So what? My point at the time was that if we didn't all agree that open, honest discussion was a good thing, then this forum wouldn't exist. We're not all trolls. So good things exist, whether I have a satisfactory definition of what they are or not. As for preserving them forever, that's a goal we all need to have, not an activity I have ever pretended to understand completely. So again I say, so what? My inability to provide clarity on either is irrelevant. Good things exist, and we need to hope that ways to preserve them forever also exist, completely independent of my ability to provide clarity on either of them.Fence Sitter wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:04 pmThere was this poster here a while back who claimed he believed in preserving good things forever, but was unable to provide any clarity on what was a "good thing" or how one preserved it forever. I wonder what happened to him?
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Strange things are good things.Fence Sitter wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:04 pmThere was this poster here a while back who claimed he believed in preserving good things forever, but was unable to provide any clarity on what was a "good thing" or how one preserved it forever. I wonder what happened to him?
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Martha Stewart occasionally reminds of of good things, with her saying, "It's a good thing." :pKevinSim wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:43 amThat was me. I don't have any more clarity on what a "good thing" is now or how to preserve it. So what? My point at the time was that if we didn't all agree that open, honest discussion was a good thing, then this forum wouldn't exist. We're not all trolls. So good things exist, whether I have a satisfactory definition of what they are or not. As for preserving them forever, that's a goal we all need to have, not an activity I have ever pretended to understand completely. So again I say, so what? My inability to provide clarity on either is irrelevant. Good things exist, and we need to hope that ways to preserve them forever also exist, completely independent of my ability to provide clarity on either of them.Fence Sitter wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:04 pmThere was this poster here a while back who claimed he believed in preserving good things forever, but was unable to provide any clarity on what was a "good thing" or how one preserved it forever. I wonder what happened to him?
The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession... The LORD set his love on you and chose you... The LORD has brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery. Deut. 7