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Would that we could sell our non-existent prophetic services at DiscussMormonism to millions of credulous Utahns, we would only charge 5% of their gross income.
Excuse me – but since it is apparently extremely important to obey the pronouncements of the prophets, how is it possible to tell, at the time they are actually making pronouncements, whether or not they are "off-track or mistaken"?
eh-hem. you mean
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:09 amWhich was very sad. I found it difficult at the time to see/look at that picture also. I along with I’m sure many others asked themselves why didn’t God put a stop to something so heinous and evil?
From the church’s Gospel Library app:
There was some good that came from this unfortunate episode.
Hofmann deceived not only Church leaders and historians with his forgeries but also his family and friends, archivists and librarians, and other experts. The Church acquired several documents from him, and his forgeries became the subject of both scholarly inquiry and public discussion.
The greatest tragedies connected to the Hofmann forgeries are the deaths of Kathy Sheets and Steven Christensen. The forgeries also posed challenges to the work of manuscript and book collectors and dealers, historians, and archivists. While police investigation linked Hofmann to numerous forgeries, his networks of trade made it difficult to trace the extent and location of his work. Twelve years after the bombings, for example, a document believed by experts to be a genuine Emily Dickinson poem was linked to Hofmann. False assumptions inspired by Hofmann documents or citations that eventually lead back to his fabricated evidence still distort some depictions of Latter-day Saint history.
Since the 1980s the Church has published extensively on its early history, helping to foster a greater understanding of some of the obscure historical episodes that Hofmann exploited in his forgeries to shed a negative light on the Church. Church historians and archivists have also exercised increased vigilance in corroborating claims of document provenance and historical context with other evidence. The publication and digitization of Joseph Smith’s papers and many other important document collections has helped broaden the base from which to evaluate new discoveries.
One thing that became rather obvious was that church leaders on a day to day basis don’t inquire of the Lord on every subject and every detail. They make business decisions mainly upon their own judgement and common sense. Which results in the same thing that happens with other business leaders. They can at times be off track or mistaken.
Joseph Smith and Co. didn’t fare so well with the Kirkland Safety Society. But it wasn’t the end of the restoration. And that same restoration continues today.
I suppose this is getting off topic, but I wanted to make a comment on this photograph from church history. Every picture tells a story, and this one is no exception.
I wonder if Nephi might have also made some errors in judgement along the way? If so, did that stop the Lehite expedition to the promised land?
We sure have a tendency to put people on pedestals. And to some degree I suppose that’s warranted.
The mantle is far greater than the intellect. The proof is in the pudding.
Would to God that we were all as gifted and intelligent as the folks here at DiscussMormonism!
Regards,
MG
I look forward to hearing your answer to my specific question.Chap wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:50 pmExcuse me – but since it is apparently extremely important to obey the pronouncements of the prophets, how is it possible to tell, at the time they are actually making pronouncements, whether or not they are "off-track or mistaken"?
This is surely a vital point to which any true Mormon believer like yourself needs to have an answer, is it not? So what is your answer?
MG with the classic apologetic strategy, the King SacrificeShulem wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:16 pm
Obey the prophet even when he's wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about and even if he misinterprets what he thinks the Holy Ghost is telling him. Obey the prophet at any cost. And, pay your tithing.
You'll be blessed for doing that. You'll be blessed for checking your brain in and being duped by the cult. Mormon-man god requires absolute obedience and that absolutely obedience is obedience to the prophet. Do not question, just bow your head and be thankful that you're a member of the one true church.
Lol. That was perfect and a perfect analogy. MG’s greasy ‘ignorance-trumps-reality’ and passive-aggressive taunts while simultaneously ignoring every_single_shred of reality we’ve presented to him over the past 25 years just makes his comments about philosophy and other faiths so goddamn hollow that it’s become a parody of a ‘truth seeker’. When I talk about him being a liar it’s because his entire approach to discussing his inherited faith on this board has been one of a false premise and is false presenting. It’s all designed so he can be a missionary for the Cult. Any truth he’s been spoon fed is blithely sidestepped and then used as an opportunity to give Lesson One of the missionary discussions.drumdude wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:08 pmMG with the classic apologetic strategy, the King SacrificeShulem wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:16 pm
Obey the prophet even when he's wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about and even if he misinterprets what he thinks the Holy Ghost is telling him. Obey the prophet at any cost. And, pay your tithing.
You'll be blessed for doing that. You'll be blessed for checking your brain in and being duped by the cult. Mormon-man god requires absolute obedience and that absolutely obedience is obedience to the prophet. Do not question, just bow your head and be thankful that you're a member of the one true church.
https://youtu.be/bTS9XaoQ6mg