Patheos was purchased by the Mormon Church

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:34 pm
He has a free pass to sin since it is defending God, who apparently can't do that for Himself, so he needs apologists.
God (you know? the omnipotent and omniscient creator and sustainer of all that has been, is, and will be?) is really very frequently in need of a helping hand from the little blobs of living creatures who infest the surface of Sol III.

I mean, the little blobs hear Him sobbing "Why is everything I do misunderstood? Why do they keep saying such nasty things about me?" while galaxy size tears plop onto his lap.

"Never mind!" squeak a few of the little blobs "We shall be apologists, and silence all the nasty people with unanswerable logic".

A faint smile dawns on the eternal countenance "Thank you, dear friends..." he whispers. And wipes away his tears.

I won't go into the times when he needs some of the little blobs to be killed for being naughty. He just can't bring himself to squash them with his great golden sandals, because it makes a nasty sticky mess. Fortunately, there are always some helpful blobs eager to do the job for him ...
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Chap wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:59 pm
Philo Sofee wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:34 pm
He has a free pass to sin since it is defending God, who apparently can't do that for Himself, so he needs apologists.
God (you know? the omnipotent and omniscient creator and sustainer of all that has been, is, and will be?) is really very frequently in need of a helping hand from the little blobs of living creatures who infest the surface of Sol III.

I mean, the little blobs hear Him sobbing "Why is everything I do misunderstood? Why do they keep saying such nasty things about me?" while galaxy size tears plop onto his lap.

"Never mind!" squeak a few of the little blobs "We shall be apologists, and silence all the nasty people with unanswerable logic".

A faint smile dawns on the eternal countenance "Thank you, dear friends..." he whispers. And wipes away his tears.

I won't go into the times when he needs some of the little blobs to be killed for being naughty. He just can't bring himself to squash them with his great golden sandals, because it makes a nasty sticky mess. Fortunately, there are always some helpful blobs eager to do the job for him ...
God also loves gory deaths. Instead of a finger snap and a heart attack we get oceans of water suffocating all air breathing organisms. Killing seems to be the ultimate obedience test. But obedience is hard to nail down. Abraham got a reprieve while thousands of polygamist marriages were forced to endure to the end.
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Chap wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:59 pm
Fortunately, there are always some helpful blobs eager to do the job for him ...
Specifically, the hell hounds Dr. Louis Midgley, the Gatekeeper, and Kiwi Clortho, the Keymaster who assist Dr. Peterson the Barbarian. Many Shuvs and Zuuls have been roasted in the depths of the Slor at SeN!
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:45 pm
Regardless of how you slice it, it would appear that we have clear evidence that Dr. Peterson is being paid by the Church to do his blogging—a substantial percentage of which is Mopologetic in nature. That he has seemed to be completely ignorant of this makes it all the more amusing.
I don’t think that’s clear. Unless every link in the ownership chain is losing money, there’s no reason to believe that the church is subsidizing Patreos. To me, the fact that the change in ownership wasn’t disclosed to the bloggers is the most interesting part of the story.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:15 pm
Doctor Scratch wrote:
Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:45 pm
Regardless of how you slice it, it would appear that we have clear evidence that Dr. Peterson is being paid by the Church to do his blogging—a substantial percentage of which is Mopologetic in nature. That he has seemed to be completely ignorant of this makes it all the more amusing.
I don’t think that’s clear. Unless every link in the ownership chain is losing money, there’s no reason to believe that the church is subsidizing Patreos.
I should perhaps clarify. By "the Church," I mean pretty much everything that falls under the LDS Church's considerable umbrella. So, e.g., if someone works for the DesNews or Deseret Book or BYU or the huge cattle ranch in Florida that the Church owns, then I would consider them to be getting "paid by the Church." The various legal and business-related machinations--the layer upon layer of corporations and LLC and so forth--is just bureaucracy as far as I'm concerned. It's an attempt to conceal the fact that the Church is aggressively pursuing political and financial interests. My point being: if one of the LDS Church's "for-profit" arms purchased Patheos, and Patheos is paying its bloggers, then these bloggers are, in effect, being paid by "the Church." It's sort of like how the Church gave "donations" to the More Good Foundation which then in turn gave donations to FAIR and Interpreter. Is "the Church" therefore funding apologetics? I would argue that, yes, it is, even if it did go through the More Good Foundation in order to do so. (And in "FAIR"ness--as Dr. Shades would say--I think that, even in that case, the donation came from some Church-related "shell" organization: Deseret-so-and-so, or something like that that was clearly and LDS-related entity.)
To me, the fact that the change in ownership wasn’t disclosed to the bloggers is the most interesting part of the story.
Yes: that is very interesting indeed.
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my apologies if this has already been quoted, but here is a little more information from ReligiousNews.com:
What happened to the nonbelief channel at Patheos?

(RNS) — Bloggers were advised they could stay at Patheos so long as they stop writing negative or critical posts on religion or politics and instead focus on how to live a good life within their own worldview. They left.
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January 4, 2022
By Yonat Shimron

(RNS) —Visitors to Patheos, the multifaith media platform that hosts commentary from writers in many of the world’s religions, may have noticed some changes lately.

Its nonreligious channel has become an empty hulk, bereft of most of the familiar names that once occupied the space, including its most popular blogger, Hemant Mehta, the “Friendly Atheist.”

Mehta and 14 other nonreligious bloggers, along with the channel manager, have decamped to a new site, OnlySky Media, set to launch later this month.

The changes come amid new surveys showing the number of people who are religiously unaffiliated has exploded in recent years, rising to 29% of the U.S. population, up from 19% in 2011. These “nones,” a catchall for a host of groups, including atheists, agnostics, humanists and just plain secularists, have established multiple service and advocacy organizations to serve this growing segment of the population. But there is no media platform solely dedicated to those who are not part of traditional religions.

Efforts to reach Patheos’ management team were unsuccessful, but the departing bloggers and their channel manager, Dale McGowan, said that about a year ago, Patheos decided to change its editorial direction. Bloggers were advised they could stay at Patheos so long as they stopped writing negative or critical posts on religion or politics and instead focused on how to live a good life within their own worldview.

“The writing on the wall was that unless you’re prepared to say nice things about religion you need to find a new outlet,” said Mehta, who has written for Patheos since 2011, often posting multiple times a day, with a special focus on stories about religious hypocrisy.

Some 20 bloggers left the site in the last days of 2021. On Tuesday (Jan. 4), the top story on the homepage read, “Don’t Stop Believing: Faith for the New Year.”

Patheos is owned by BN Media, which last year created a new umbrella organization called Radiant. It includes Patheos, the lifestyle site Beliefnet and three other wellness and spirituality platforms with a mission of helping people “live their most fulfilled lives.”

Beliefnet, once a vigorous journalistic site, underwent a similar transformation after it was twice acquired, first by the Fox Entertainment Group in 2007 and later BN Media, where it became an inspirational site focusing on spirituality, health and wellness.


“What they were asking of us was not compatible with the editorial tone we had taken until then,” said Adam Lee, who wrote the “Daylight Atheism” blog for Patheos. “Many of us felt this would require an editorial shift to such an extent as to make our blogs unrecognizable.”

McGowan said he was told last March that Patheos wanted to rebrand.

“This was a business decision to position themselves for the long term,” said McGowan. It may have been hard for Patheos to attract advertising among religious businesses while at the same time providing a forum for atheists to criticize religion, he said.

McGowan, the author of 10 books about nonreligious life, including “Parenting Beyond Belief,” had already been talking with investors about creating a new platform for nonreligious people.

“When Patheos announced this change in direction, we realized it was an opportunity to provide a soft landing for some of these bloggers,” he said.

Fifteen Patheos bloggers agreed to join OnlySky, where McGowan is now chief content officer.

The new media platform is envisioned as a site that combines storytelling and commentary exploring the breadth of the human experience from a secular point of view, said Shawn Hardin, its founder and CEO.

A Bay Area entrepreneur who has created several media products for AOL, Yahoo and NBC, among others, Hardin said he envisions a space that explores a wide range of secular values.

“We think the unaffiliated are a woefully underserved segment of the population,” Hardin said. “We’re pretty optimistic about our opportunity to build a business that meets the interest of the audience and can invest in its own growth.”

(The name of the new media venture was inspired by John Lennon’s song “Imagine,” which envisions a world without heaven or hell — “above us only sky.”)

A key will be creating a sense of community for a diverse set of people who are searching for meaning and want to connect with others on a similar path. Whether nonreligious Americans want community is not yet clear.

The Sunday Assembly movement, which tried to create local congregations for nonbelievers, had 70 congregations in the U.S. and the United Kingdom. About half have shut down or gone dormant.

Beyond polls indicating their growing numbers, little is known about the nonreligious or whether they want to engage on issues as a group.

“There are people passionate about secularism, atheism and agnosticism, perhaps because they don’t like what they see about religion in the news,” said Diane Winston, professor of religion and media at the University of Southern California. “But that’s a small minority of the people who make up the unaffiliated or disaffiliated. A lot of those people don’t care one way or another.”

Mehta, however, said he had high hopes.

“There aren’t any media outlets that cater specifically to atheists,” he said. “All the other atheist specific blogging networks are run by volunteers and people who are passionate about the subject but don’t do business-savvy anything, so they falter and die. This one has digital expertise.”

https://religionnews.com/2022/01/04/wha ... t-patheos/

this however, just made me laugh.

"whether nonreligious Americans want community is not yet clear...."


right. that's pretty tone-deaf.
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Yeah, that one got a pretty big eye roll when I read it.
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Sometimes people knowing who owns something can be deleterious. Beliefnet was once the 4th most visited site on the internet. Once it was known they were being purchased by Fox Media, that tanked and users started leaving in droves. When the audience consists of those who read and write, it excludes Fox loyalists. Fox did not want the lucrative part of Beliefnet which consisted of the extensive message boards, they wanted a platform that could disseminate their religious message, but they were faced with readers and not viewers.

Would a site that hosts blogs from a wide variety of religious traditions be helped by realizing the new owner is the LDS Church?
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This does bring up a question in my mind. Is there a place under The Radiant Foundation/Beliefnet (use your own favorite shell company name here) umbrella for The Interpreter? Or the rights to The Witnesses movie franchise? Is this what DCP is angling for?
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Bedlamite wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:41 pm
This does bring up a question in my mind. Is there a place under The Radiant Foundation/Beliefnet (use your own favorite shell company name here) umbrella for The Interpreter? Or the rights to The Witnesses movie franchise? Is this what DCP is angling for?
Just looking at what comes under the umbrella, I'd guess no. It's a broad outreach platform for promotion of religion, more specifically Christianity. No scholarly (or scholarly appearing) publication would be a good fit. And the nasty, divisive tone of Interpreter articles would be more likely to chase away the target audience.
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