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Moksha wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:44 pm

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:56 pm

Dr. Exiled, due to your politics you have a blind spot when it comes to the Russians, which I find mind-boggling. You can still be a Trump supporter, and also see what the Russians have done, what they’re doing, and what they themselves plan to do.
- Doc

So you are saying that being a Trump supporter does not demand having a soft spot in your heart for Russia?

Not at all. A Republican can vote for Trump much in the same way a lot of us voted for Biden (or in the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton). I’ve read quite a few accounts from Republicans who thought Trump was a disaster, but their *insert reason for being a Conservative here* simply wouldn’t allow them to vote for a Democrat, much less Hillary Clinton, Bernie, or now Biden. I think we’re at a point in this country where the American political roofline, as it were, is so pitched on each side that there’s no middle ground, and we also run the risk of falling off the edges into madness. The Left has a very serious cultural Marxism issue that makes it impossible for the Right to want to even get near it, so a fascist populist like Trump will always be a better alternative than voting for a Democrat-cum-socialist (in their minds), even if they have to hold their noses and do it.

edit: I should note that we’re already in WW3, considering most European countries, the US, and various countries around the world have committed to providing materiel and monetary support to Ukraine. The GOP, if they insist on subverting NATO and various alliances throughout the world, will irreparably damage our ability to lead on strategic matters for the foreseeable future. Russia cannot be allowed to reassert its hegemonic dominion over eastern Europe, central Asia, and abroad.

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- Doc

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:23 pm

edit: I should note that we’re already in WW3, considering most European countries, the US, and various countries around the world have committed to providing materiel and monetary support to Ukraine.

By that logic, we were in World War III when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. Or since Vietnam, for that matter.

Russia cannot be allowed to reassert its hegemonic dominion over eastern Europe, central Asia, and abroad.

Why not?

Dr. Shades wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:27 am

Russia cannot be allowed to reassert its hegemonic dominion over eastern Europe, central Asia, and abroad.

Why not?

What could go wrong with an authoritarian kleptocracy in charge?

- Doc

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:17 am

What could go wrong with an authoritarian kleptocracy in charge?

- Doc

He already is in charge.

Dr. Shades wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:27 am

Why not?

Because the countries he would wish to rule over for the glory of the Russian Federation are independent countries that yearn to remain independent and maintain self-rule. They did not say, "please invade and conquer us".

How can you tell that Putin's claim, of Russia stopping fascism in Ukraine, is bogus? Because Republicans are still supporting Putin.

Dr. Shades wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:25 am

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:17 am

What could go wrong with an authoritarian kleptocracy in charge?

- Doc

He already is in charge.

“He” is part of a kleptocracy. I ask again, what could go wrong with an authoritarian kleptocracy in charge?

- Doc

Moksha wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:30 am

Russia cannot be allowed to reassert its hegemonic dominion over eastern Europe, central Asia, and abroad.

Dr. Shades wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:27 am

Why not?

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:17 am

What could go wrong with an authoritarian kleptocracy in charge?

- Doc

Dr. Shades wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:25 am

He already is in charge.

But not, fortunately, of "eastern Europe, central Asia, and abroad". Just of Russia. I think your comment may not have paid sufficient attention to what had been said earlier.

I don't have time to read his tweets. I'll wait for his book to come out.

There are alternative views, outside of the false two party paradigm, and if anyone would like, here are some sites for your reading pleasure:

https://www.greanvillepost.com/

https://thegrayzone.com/

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/

https://consortiumnews.com/

Anyway, in the early 1990's Bush promised Gorby that NATO wouldn't expand and we reneged on that promise, surrounding Russia with NATO. The CIA installed Yeltzin, allowing the rape of Russia in the 1990's and that led to Putin taking over, to stop the bleeding of natural resources and assets to western billionaires. Our government conducted a coup in Ukraine in 2014, backing nazis to do so. Then recently, we pushed Ukraine to join NATO, knowing that this would provoke war.

https://multipolarista.com/2022/02/27/u ... intervene/

https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/14/u ... russia-us/

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... come-home/

Putin's motives:

Here is what Putin said in a speech prior to his invasion of Ukraine: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/vladim ... y-24-2022/ He talks about NATO expansion, neo-nazis in Ukraine, the 8 year war against the russians in the donbass, etc. These are the stated motives.

Recently, the undersecretary of defense gave a presentation saying that Putin doesn't have the ability to move much beyond the territory that he has taken in Ukraine. So, even if he wants to take over Germany and other European countries, expanding Russia back to the pre-1917 era, he simply cannot.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stori ... -official/

Did you just link to a far-Left “anti-imperialist” blog ran by a far-Left “Green” organization simply to shill for Russia, which is probably the most environmentally nastiest petro-dominant authoritarian, if not outright fascist, kleptocracy on the planet in order to be a contrarian? Lol. Fuckin’ Dr. Exiled. Never change, man.

Sigh. damned GOPhers.

- Doc