Okay, I believe you that the Church wishes to straddle the position from old-time believers at Salem to those entering the 20th Century and wishing to have BYU hold its head up high in the Rocky Mountain Conference. If no position at all is the closest we will ever get to the truth, then so be it.KevinSim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:16 pmAll the denials of evolution and the claims of a 7000-year-old Earth are not official doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know what you're talking about. My parents, teachers, and peers raised me to believe that Darwin's theory was completely wrong, so when, as an undergraduate at the University of Washington I went to a Young Adult fireside on the topic of evolution, I expected to hear all that was wrong with Darwin's theory. Instead the speaker, the second counselor in the Seattle North Stake presidency, said the LDS Church didn't have an official position on that theory; and he went on to state that no serious scientist doubts that that theory is true; he himself clearly did not doubt it himself. That fireside was a critical point in my own personal evolution as a Latter-day Saint.
Officially no official position on natural selection
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Well said, Moksha. That may very possibly be true.Moksha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:35 pmOkay, I believe you that the Church wishes to straddle the position from old-time believers at Salem to those entering the 20th Century and wishing to have BYU hold its head up high in the Rocky Mountain Conference. If no position at all is the closest we will ever get to the truth, then so be it.
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Why bring it up in the first place then, Moksha? I remember in high-school my Language Arts teacher asking what I thought of a tape she had. It said that Latter-day Saint bishops had sex in LDS temples with new brides as part of the ceremony. At the time I'd never been through the endowment ceremony so there was a certain amount of shock there. But since then I've realized that anyone can claim that anything happens in the endowment and sealing ceremonies, and the claims will have a certain amount of traction because devout Latter-day Saints don't talk about what actually happens there. Is that what nude clogging is, Moksha? A claim that you're confident my temple covenants won't let me refute?Moksha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:24 pmSome things we covet not to discuss in detail. Think sacred, not secret!
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There's no distinguishable difference between this church being led by God and one led by fraudsters. Other churches don't claim to have prophets, seers, and revelators at the helm. What does prophesy mean? What does seeing mean? What revelation guided the mistaken 2015 policy?
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The secret of the clogging shall remain inviolate. Just reflect on why learning to clog and clogging remains such a popular activity at BYU. Each jiggle brings us closer to ownership of a planet and a chance to create our own rituals, but for now, mums the word. Pretend we don't teach it anymore.
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Again, indistinguishable from a fraud. What use are your powers of prophesy and seeing if you don't use them?
We should probably be worried Rusty is masturbating and not worthy to have them.
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That secret is so secret that the secret book refused to publish that secret.Moksha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:32 pmThe secret of the clogging shall remain inviolate. Just reflect on why learning to clog and clogging remains such a popular activity at BYU. Each jiggle brings us closer to ownership of a planet and a chance to create our own rituals, but for now, mums the word. Pretend we don't teach it anymore.
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1909 official statement First Presidency.KevinSim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:16 pmAll the denials of evolution and the claims of a 7000-year-old Earth are not official doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know what you're talking about. My parents, teachers, and peers raised me to believe that Darwin's theory was completely wrong, so when, as an undergraduate at the University of Washington I went to a Young Adult fireside on the topic of evolution, I expected to hear all that was wrong with Darwin's theory. Instead the speaker, the second counselor in the Seattle North Stake presidency, said the LDS Church didn't have an official position on that theory; and he went on to state that no serious scientist doubts that that theory is true; he himself clearly did not doubt it himself. That fireside was a critical point in my own personal evolution as a Latter-day Saint.
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