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God didn't tell me that Smith's interpretations of the facsimiles were right. God told me that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was true. Can you go from a wrong interpretation of the facsimiles to the conclusion that God doesn't want me in the LDS Church?
Drumdude, you said, "It's incredible the amount of mind control the church has over its members." In retrospect, do you think it would have been better to speak of mind control over some of its members?
Yeah, but that's just me. I'll attempt communication with almost anyone, almost anyhow.drumdude wrote:Simply by posting with us on this forum you are going against what the LDS leaders teach.
You asked God if an organization was true when you were a teenager? I’d ask you to think about that for a hot second, but I’m not sure thinking is a priority when there’s feeling to be done. “You cannot reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into.”KevinSim wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:34 amBack in Autumn 1976 as a seventeen-year-old, I asked God if the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was true, and God told me yes. That's why I believe in that Church.doubtingthomas wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:57 pmWhy do you believe in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Huh! Did not recall that you are active, believing LDS! Glad you are here.KevinSim wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:34 amBack in Autumn 1976 as a seventeen-year-old, I asked God if the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was true, and God told me yes. That's why I believe in that Church.doubtingthomas wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:57 pmWhy do you believe in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
I think that's admirable. If I said, "It's incredible how nice Mormons are" would you correct me and make sure I said "but not every Mormon?"KevinSim wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:08 amDrumdude, you said, "It's incredible the amount of mind control the church has over its members." In retrospect, do you think it would have been better to speak of mind control over some of its members?Yeah, but that's just me. I'll attempt communication with almost anyone, almost anyhow.drumdude wrote:Simply by posting with us on this forum you are going against what the LDS leaders teach.
Good response!KevinSim wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:40 amGod didn't tell me that Smith's interpretations of the facsimiles were right. God told me that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was true. Can you go from a wrong interpretation of the facsimiles to the conclusion that God doesn't want me in the LDS Church?
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a. Of a statement, idea, belief, etc.: in accordance with fact; agreeing with reality; correct.
a1250 Wohunge ure Lauerd in R. Morris Old Eng. Homilies (1868) 1st Ser. 283 A swete ihesu þu oppnes me þin herte for to cnawe witerliche and in to reden trewe luue lettres.
c1275 (▸?a1200) Laȝamon Brut (Calig.) (1963) l. 2217 Belin ihærde sugge þurh summe sæg treowe. of his broðer wifðinge.
c1300 St. Bridget (Laud) l. 10 in C. Horstmann Early S.-Eng. Legendary (1887) 192 (MED) Heo scholde..At a certeyn dai þarof trewe a-countes ȝelde.
▸ c1384 Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) (Douce 369(2)) (1850) John xxi. 24 We witen, for [a1425 L.V. that] his witnessing is trewe.
c1400 (▸?a1387) W. Langland Piers Plowman (Huntington HM 137) (1873) C. i. l. 100 Al þe wordle [emended in ed. to world] wot wel hit myȝte nat be trywe.
1490 W. Caxton tr. Foure Sonnes of Aymon (1885) xvii. 396 ‘Syr, wyte that charlemagne is come wyth his oost’... ‘Is it true?’ said mawgis.
a1529 J. Skelton Howe Douty Duke of Albany in Wks. (1568) f. ii These tidinges newe Whiche be as trewe As the gospell.
1597 A. Montgomerie Cherrie & Slae 878 I..Thocht all thair tales wer trewe.
1608 A. Willet Hexapla in Exodum xxxiv. 839 The truer opinion.
1650 tr. Nicholas of Cusa Idiot ii. 32 I labour to frame a true conception of God.
1722 J. Bingham Origines Ecclesiasticæ IX. xx. vii. 163 The Fact was too true, and the Charge too well-grounded to be denied of them all in general.
1759 S. Johnson Prince of Abissinia II. xlvii. 158 The same proposition cannot be at once true and false.
1854 D. Lardner Hand-bk. Nat. Philos. & Astron. (new ed.) I. 16 This will be true, however shallow the vessel..and however narrow the tube.
1870 A. Helps Casimir Maremma II. xxxii. 123 Marvellous to relate the rumour proved to be true.
1938 H. Kantorowicz & W. W. Buckland Stud. Glossators Rom. Law ix. 208 No true notion of the lost work could be formed.
1958 C. Achebe Things fall Apart v. 38 Nwoye's younger brothers were about to tell their mother the true story of the accident.
2010 N.Y. Times 10 Nov. b21/5 It's a ridiculous claim and simply not true.
