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Trying to sell tea abstinence in Japan must have been tough.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:07 pmIf anything, we were envious about all the success they routinely saw while we didn't.
Based off of the current crop of leaders, i thought serving a mission was no longer a requirement
According to Kevin Pearson, Area Authority in Utah, it is a “dumb question” for boys to ask whether they should serve a mission. The requirement is alive and well.
As an ex-missionary in the first, my experience was that racism was alive, well and rampant. There was certainly envy for those in countries baptising like Alma.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:07 pmHaving been a missionary in a first world country myself, I can say from personal experience that neither I nor anyone I knew looked down on missionaries who served in the third world. If anything, we were envious about all the success they routinely saw while we didn't.Bond wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:46 pmI'd love to see a larger discussion about if missionaries who went to the "first world" looked down on missionaries who went to "third world" countries to see how much casual racism we can uncover. I suspect there are a lot of missionaries who got two converts in the Netherlands and still look down on the guy who got 9 in Chile.
And believe you me, casual racism didn't fuel such envy in any way, shape, or form.
That would be a good question for Midgley - Is it better to not serve a mission at all, than to serve a mission during which you struggle; aren’t successful in terms of baptism numbers; or which you finish early? Not serving a mission, as you point out, hasn’t hampered the church career ambitions of a number of the currently serving Q15.
When I read about "Prophets of old" there is always an admirable part of them that is out amongst the people, discussing, arguing, sharing the message of god to audiences that are often not friendly. When I view current leaders of the church, I see armchair quarterbacks. None of these men have stood on the line and shared this message that they claim to be so important to the world. Missionaries don't even do this anymore. In the time of social media, and having the literal world as your audience, the leaders messages should be the number 1 source of referrals. Instead the kids on missions are trying to figure out how to sell a product that has little to no fit, and are held responsible for the results.IHAQ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:53 amThat would be a good question for Midgley - Is it better to not serve a mission at all, than to serve a mission during which you struggle; aren’t successful in terms of baptism numbers; or which you finish early? Not serving a mission, as you point out, hasn’t hampered the church career ambitions of a number of the currently serving Q15.
And the kids are figuring it all out, by God they are getting to the light...master_dc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:21 pmWhen I read about "Prophets of old" there is always an admirable part of them that is out amongst the people, discussing, arguing, sharing the message of god to audiences that are often not friendly. When I view current leaders of the church, I see armchair quarterbacks. None of these men have stood on the line and shared this message that they claim to be so important to the world. Missionaries don't even do this anymore. In the time of social media, and having the literal world as your audience, the leaders messages should be the number 1 source of referrals. Instead the kids on missions are trying to figure out how to sell a product that has little to no fit, and are held responsible for the results.IHAQ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:53 amThat would be a good question for Midgley - Is it better to not serve a mission at all, than to serve a mission during which you struggle; aren’t successful in terms of baptism numbers; or which you finish early? Not serving a mission, as you point out, hasn’t hampered the church career ambitions of a number of the currently serving Q15.