Re: Nelson: “Don’t pollute [your testimony] with the false philosophies of unbelieving men and women…”
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:40 pm
thank you.
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thank you.
I’m sorry.Kishkumen wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:20 amI am happy not to have driven everyone away and that some people will not put me on ignore. I hope that is true of everyone who posts here.huckelberry wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:13 amJust think Kishkumen has some different attitudes and point of view about the church! how could that be allowed?
Why does it matter you are female?Marcus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:55 pm
As for Stak's suggestions, asking a female professor to "slide into" the private DMs of a fellow male professor, to "respectfully explain the issues you are having," in order to get him to "change how he interacts with you" because he personally and viciously attacks you, in public, every time you disagree with him is laughable, at best. i will assume he was speaking in generalities.
i thought so to!
agreed. My only point in bringing up gender was to point out that telling a female professor to privately approach a male professor who was publicly disparaging her was an inappropriate solution.Not that it does - or should - make any difference at all.
It better contextualizes the social dynamics in play.
Actually I didn't even have you in mind when I wrote that post, I was just navel-gazing. I don't think you were acting unfairly or inappropriately. I also had zero idea you were a female or that you worked in Higher Education, for what it is worth.Marcus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:23 pmIf Stak doesn't know i am 1) a female, and 2) a professional colleague of Kishkumen, then i understand. Telling women to privately solve public issues is an old school approach that is not valid in a world where colleagues are colleagues, regardless of gender.
No problem, i added an edit after you copied this to try to explain that, the addition is bolded below:DrStakhanovite wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:07 amActually I didn't even have you in mind when I wrote that post, I was just navel-gazing. I don't think you were acting unfairly or inappropriately. I also had zero idea you were a female or that you worked in Higher Education, for what it is worth.Marcus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:23 pmIf Stak doesn't know i am 1) a female, and 2) a professional colleague of Kishkumen, then i understand. Telling women to privately solve public issues is an old school approach that is not valid in a world where colleagues are colleagues, regardless of gender.
If Stak doesn't know i am 1) a female, and 2) a professional colleague of Kishkumen, then i understand. It was not his intent.
no, just that we've interacted enough over the years that we both know the other is a university professor and a professional colleague.That said, are you saying you actually work with him in some capacity outside this space?
Amen, brother, amen!This isn't some departmental meeting, its shitposting...
Out of curiosity, when was the last time I engaged in vicious personal attacks against you? I mean, from my point of view we hardly interact, so it takes me aback to have you characterize our unpleasant interactions as “continuing.” Moreover, this thread was my response to Dr Moore. You entered the thread to attack me. At least you were able to clear the air and be forthright, I suppose.Marcus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:55 pmphilo, you make good points. it does frustrate me however, as a fellow professor of Dr. Kishkumen, that i have only experienced the vicious personal attacks when i disagree with him. he insists on utter respect for his contrarianism, without giving the slightest respect back. if i am very careful to kiss his ass and only disagree in the very mildest of ways while effusively acknowledging his superiority (a strategy i learned from reading here), then i (sometimes) get the "nice" kishkumen. The problem is, i'm not willing to engage in that dishonesty in perpetuity, so his attacks continue.
I have never had trouble treating you as an equal. I do it all the time. You seem to want something other than that, however, although it is never quite clear what that is. I disagree with my equals. I get sharp with my equals. I commend my equals. I do this with all people.Being one of the few females here who is a fellow professor to the Dear Reverend, i can see the difficulty in him treating me as an equal, but it doesn't mean I have to tolerate it.
So, I am not employed to be a teacher on this board. I get to have personal time in my life, outside of work, to let my hair down and have regular arguments with regular people like myself. If you want to treat everything like an extension of your professional life, that’s your business. Leave me out of it, please.And as a final point, it's not "pedagogical" to be an ass to people. I also enjoy my teaching opportunities, but wielding it like a sword is not appropriate, in my opinion. There are far superior ways to take advantage of a teaching moment.