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Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm
by Dr Exiled
drumdude wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:46 pm
A lot of Mormons are claiming the AP article is a fraud, and makes up the idea that the hotline number is a way to cover up abuse.
Like much of the rest of Mormonism, the specifics of how the church runs their hotline number is hidden from public scrutiny. We know for a fact that KM is involved and we also know for a fact that there is no blanket policy in place that reports every abuse to the police.
This is why Peterson won't give us anything other than gaslighting bs. Too many members fit into the projectionist headlines he used recently:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... rance.html
The problem is that projection works.
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:36 pm
by drumdude
Dr Exiled wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm
drumdude wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:46 pm
A lot of Mormons are claiming the AP article is a fraud, and makes up the idea that the hotline number is a way to cover up abuse.
Like much of the rest of Mormonism, the specifics of how the church runs their hotline number is hidden from public scrutiny. We know for a fact that KM is involved and we also know for a fact that there is no blanket policy in place that reports every abuse to the police.
This is why Peterson won't give us anything other than gaslighting bs. Too many members fit into the projectionist headlines he used recently:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... rance.html
The problem is that projection works.
I'd have to see him thread up a 35mm film before I call him a true projectionist.
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:13 pm
by Dr Exiled
drumdude wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:36 pm
I'd have to see him thread up a 35mm film before I call him a true projectionist.
Haha, maybe "psychological projectionist" would be the better term?
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:55 am
by Moksha
Mormon Stories is doing a multiple videocast series on the LDS abuse problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dizLWT9T-bU
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:29 am
by Moksha
Episode # 2 of the Mormon Stories on this abuse -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zfIxHWRZzs
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:06 am
by Dr Moore
A second response from the Newsroom. Predictably defiant and unapologetic. Oddly, still leaves out the pertinent fact that the bishop in AZ could have reported. Technically did follow the law, but also would have been within the law to report, but for advice or church counsel not to report.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... abuse-case
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:22 am
by drumdude
The bishop wasn’t told by the helpline to report the abuse. Full stop. Because of this, the abuse continued for 6 more years. This was the direct consequence of the church’s policy to not disclose when they have the legal right and moral obligation to.
The Mormon church can easily put in place a policy to report all cases of abuse to the police, and they still defiantly choose not to.
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:54 am
by Marcus
Note number 3:
The Church's abuse help line has everything to do with protecting children and has nothing to do with cover-up. It has been in existence for more than a quarter of a century. Its purpose is to:
<snipped>
3. To directly report the abuse to authorities, regardless of legal exemptions from reporting requirements, when it is known that a child is in imminent danger. The help line routinely reports cases of child abuse to authorities. Outside experts who are aware of the Helpline have regularly praised it.
But then the very next sentence contradicts number 3:
Even when a report is not required or is even prohibited by law (because the confession is “owned” by the confessor), the help line encourages leaders to pursue ways to ensure these three goals are met.
So does the helpline “directly report…regardless of exemptions”?
Or does it “encourage leaders to pursue ways…”?
Especially in this case. It’s ludicrous to think that a bishop who was also a family medicine doctor didn’t know the children in that household were in ongoing “imminent danger.”
And this downplaying of the incident is disgusting:
In late 2011, Paul Adams made a limited confession to his bishop about a single past incident of abuse of one child.
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:06 pm
by Dr Moore
They are making this so much worse. Just apologize and commit to do better. Not going to end well if they keep up this charade of insistence they were somehow a “gold standard.” Unlike questions of historicity, claims about abuse safety are demonstrably false.
Re: Mormon churches are not an exceptionally dangerous place for children
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:06 pm
by Marcus
Dr Moore wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:06 am
A second response from the Newsroom. Predictably defiant and unapologetic. Oddly, still leaves out the pertinent fact that the bishop in AZ could have reported. Technically did follow the law, but also would have been within the law to report, but for advice or church counsel not to report.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... abuse-case
A rebuttal to the new lds church response is posted, here’s just a small excerpt. The footnotes are specific and well sourced
Failure to Report Sexual Abuse—Bisbee, Arizona
37 Primary Sources
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Timeline of the Bisbee, Arizona sexual abuse case
Bisbee Case 2010—Present
ca. 2010
Paul Adams began sexually abusing his daughter.[15] Paul also recorded the abuse and posted it online.[16]
ca. 2010
Paul Adams confesses to molesting his daughter to Bishop John Herrod.[BIO][17] Bishop Herrod reportedly invites Leizza into the meeting with Paul and discloses the abuse in the hopes Leizza would prevent further abuse.[18]
https://mormonr.org/qnas/tpo8C/failure_ ... ee_arizona