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Marcus wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:58 pm

if this is correct, it makes sense why they want the excommunication records released:

AP Story: Paul Adams was Excommunicated for having sex with his MOTHER, not for molesting his children.

Credit goes to u/nomomomobro

Source: https://mormonr.org/qnas/tpo8C/failure_ ... ee_arizona

Footnote 24:

Shaunice Warr stated that she thought she remembered Paul had been excommunicated sometime before 2011 and that his excommunication was unrelated to he abuse of his children, but rather for having sex with his mother. FBI Agent J. Allen stated that Leizza disclosed to him that Paul had been excommunicated for having sex with his mother. However, DHS Agent Robert Edwards testified that Bishop Herrod told him that Paul was excommunicated for the sexual abuse of his children. The court transcript implies that the excommunication occurred in 2013.

Shaunice Warr was a Border Patrol officer who also was the Adam's SS teacher and Leizza Adams (wife of Paul Adams) visiting teacher. She is the one who has a recording of the bishop (John Herrod) stating that the church helpline told him he "could not report sexual abuse".

Another crazy part of this, the bishop who didn't report this, John Herrod, was also the ADAM'S damned FAMILY PHYSICIAN!

https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... ource=link

“The judge’s order applies to the church’s secret records and to what happened at the secret ex-communication hearing,” said Lynne Cadigan, an attorney for the three children who filed suit.

Cardinal’s order will require church official Richard Fife, a clerk who took notes during the ex-communication hearing, to answer questions from the attorneys representing the Adams children. It will also require church officials to turn over records of the disciplinary council meeting.

“The privileged information will have been disclosed and we will not have our desired victory for Satan,” the church said.

Marcus wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:58 pm

if this is correct, it makes sense why they want the excommunication records released:

...

Another crazy part of this, the bishop who didn't report this, John Herrod, was also the ADAM'S damned FAMILY PHYSICIAN!

https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... ource=link

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:23 pm

The lawsuit accuses two Arizona bishops and church leaders in Salt Lake City of negligence in not reporting the abuse and allowing Adams to continue abusing his older daughter for as many as seven years, a time in which he also abused the girl’s infant sister.

I think KevinSim needs to hit the knees and ask about the trueness of his church again. This is absurd. Either Jesus is a capricious god or “Kevin’s” faith is misplaced and misguided. Whatever “preserve the good things” “Kevin” has in mind ought not include a church who protects a child rapist and later a man who had sex with a baby. Repeatedly.

Unbelievable. Actually, no. It’s very believable, and it’s … nuts.

- Doc

Dr Moore wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:11 pm

Rezendes interviewed by Doug Fabrizio on Radio West this week.

https://radiowest.kuer.org/show/radiowe ... lds-church

Outstanding interview. Also available on Apple podcasts.

Rezendes begins by noting the commonalities between the Catholic and Mormon institutions:
* Large institutions
* Wealthy organizations
* Claim to be spiritual organizations
* Common interest: convert souls to their faith
* Common interest: Keep image of institution as shiny as possible
* Common interest: Shiny image allows to continue raising money

We know that Catholic money donations are down precipitously since abuse reporting brought the scandal to public awareness.

Also in common:
* Both institutions initially responded with "nothing wrong here" and insistence it was just one case, nothing to see here
* Believe this is just the tip of a very ugly iceberg, similar to what the initial Catholic scandal reporting became -- one led to revelation of "systemic" problems

What makes this different from the Catholic reporting?
* Mormon church so secretive
** All calls to help line destroyed every day, and those forwarded to Kirton McConkie are protected by attorney-client priv
** Disciplinary proceedings are done in secret, no recording
** However, there are cases filed and including the Boy Scouts case suggests "systemic" problem

Since the story came out last week, Rezendes has been "deluged" with emails, DMs, calls with more abuse stories. So many he hasn't even begun to get through them yet.

Rezendes muscle memory says there is institutionalized cover-up.

Dr Exiled wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:49 pm

Yeah, Kevin Sim should really look hard at the implications of an organization that is so worried about its reputation that it routinely sacrifices victims. Man, it simply cannot be what a god would want his organization to do.

sock puppet wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:29 pm

Dr Exiled wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:49 pm

Yeah, Kevin Sim should really look hard at the implications of an organization that is so worried about its reputation that it routinely sacrifices victims. Man, it simply cannot be what a god would want his organization to do.

Well, a "mysterious" god, maybe. But a god that has any degree of moral bearings would not want his org or followers doing as the LDS church does. This is why the belivers run into the corner of a mysterious god when their god's immorality is pointed out.