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This lady did not pull her punches in this 57-second call:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNH4fis6qu4

Moksha wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:00 pm

This lady did not pull her punches in this 57-second call:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNH4fis6qu4

LDS Inc writing itself into the "They knew and failed" list. Sad.
https://www.decof.com/documents/dangerous-products.pdf

https://apnews.com/article/religion-law ... 32f70376ec

Rezendes digs deeper.

A Utah lawmaker and prominent attorney for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints advised a church bishop not to report a confession of child sex abuse to authorities, a decision that allowed the abuse to continue for years, according to records filed in a lawsuit.

[Merrill] Nelson also had multiple conversations over a two-year span with two bishops who knew of the abuse, the records show.

According to the plaintiff’s legal filing, Nelson advised Bishop John Herrod not to report the abuse and told him “that he could be sued if he reported, and the instruction by counsel not to report Paul to the authorities was the law in Arizona and had nothing to do with Church doctrine.” But Arizona’s child sex abuse reporting law grants blanket legal immunity to anyone reporting child sex abuse or neglect.

So, the advice by church counsel based in UT as re laws in AZ was incorrect, resulting in 2 more years of abuse. How is this not clear cut malpractice? Was Nelson even licensed in AZ? What is the potential liability faced by Kirton McConkie to the victims, in this case?

This is a cult, and anyone who chooses to stay in literally abets the cult and its predators. Mormons like to say thing like dRaWiNg a LiNe iN tHe SaNd. Well. Draw one. Do you literally care about children, or do you care about propping up institutional sexual abuse?

- Doc

Dr Moore wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:22 am

https://apnews.com/article/religion-law ... 32f70376ec

Rezendes digs deeper.

A Utah lawmaker and prominent attorney for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints advised a church bishop not to report a confession of child sex abuse to authorities, a decision that allowed the abuse to continue for years, according to records filed in a lawsuit.

[Merrill] Nelson also had multiple conversations over a two-year span with two bishops who knew of the abuse, the records show.

According to the plaintiff’s legal filing, Nelson advised Bishop John Herrod not to report the abuse and told him “that he could be sued if he reported, and the instruction by counsel not to report Paul to the authorities was the law in Arizona and had nothing to do with Church doctrine.” But Arizona’s child sex abuse reporting law grants blanket legal immunity to anyone reporting child sex abuse or neglect.

So, the advice by church counsel based in UT as re laws in AZ was incorrect, resulting in 2 more years of abuse. How is this not clear cut malpractice? Was Nelson even licensed in AZ? What is the potential liability faced by Kirton McConkie to the victims, in this case?

Nelson is listed as a Member of the Utah Bar Association, but no other Bar Association. Maybe consiglieri will know the answers from a legal standpoint.

Dr Moore wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:22 am

https://apnews.com/article/religion-law ... 32f70376ec

Rezendes digs deeper.

A Utah lawmaker and prominent attorney for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints advised a church bishop not to report a confession of child sex abuse to authorities, a decision that allowed the abuse to continue for years, according to records filed in a lawsuit.

[Merrill] Nelson also had multiple conversations over a two-year span with two bishops who knew of the abuse, the records show.

According to the plaintiff’s legal filing, Nelson advised Bishop John Herrod not to report the abuse and told him “that he could be sued if he reported, and the instruction by counsel not to report Paul to the authorities was the law in Arizona and had nothing to do with Church doctrine.” But Arizona’s child sex abuse reporting law grants blanket legal immunity to anyone reporting child sex abuse or neglect.

So, the advice by church counsel based in UT as re laws in AZ was incorrect, resulting in 2 more years of abuse. How is this not clear cut malpractice? Was Nelson even licensed in AZ? What is the potential liability faced by Kirton McConkie to the victims, in this case?

Here is what puzzles me.

Herrod was (is?) a family physician, and as such was a mandatory reporter. (by the way, I'm not saying that that should have forced him to report what he learned while acting as Bishop.)

Is it reasonable to assume that the requirements for reporting abuse must have been part of his training? And that one might wonder whether a person with that education would/should look into the reporting requirements on his own, and not just blindly follow the advice of Kirton McConkie? It's not like he was a complete stranger to the concept of reporting.

If it were you, might you not look for loopholes that would allow you to report, or at least to hint enough to someone, so that the situation would be brought to light?

Or am I just being ridiculous - as my son would say.

Dr Moore wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:22 am

https://apnews.com/article/religion-law ... 32f70376ec

Rezendes digs deeper.

A Utah lawmaker and prominent attorney for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints advised a church bishop not to report a confession of child sex abuse to authorities, a decision that allowed the abuse to continue for years, according to records filed in a lawsuit.

[Merrill] Nelson also had multiple conversations over a two-year span with two bishops who knew of the abuse, the records show.

According to the plaintiff’s legal filing, Nelson advised Bishop John Herrod not to report the abuse and told him “that he could be sued if he reported, and the instruction by counsel not to report Paul to the authorities was the law in Arizona and had nothing to do with Church doctrine.” But Arizona’s child sex abuse reporting law grants blanket legal immunity to anyone reporting child sex abuse or neglect.

So, the advice by church counsel based in UT as re laws in AZ was incorrect, resulting in 2 more years of abuse. How is this not clear cut malpractice? Was Nelson even licensed in AZ? What is the potential liability faced by Kirton McConkie to the victims, in this case?

"Don't protect the child and infant that are being raped by their father... because you could be sued."

How morally bankrupt can they possibly be? If this was their genuine understanding, why wouldn't they counsel him to report it, and the Church will provide the necessary legal and financial support for any potential civil suit?

Gross.

Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:12 pm

Dr Moore wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:22 am

https://apnews.com/article/religion-law ... 32f70376ec

Rezendes digs deeper.







So, the advice by church counsel based in UT as re laws in AZ was incorrect, resulting in 2 more years of abuse. How is this not clear cut malpractice? Was Nelson even licensed in AZ? What is the potential liability faced by Kirton McConkie to the victims, in this case?

"Don't protect the child and infant that are being raped by their father... because you could be sued."

How morally bankrupt can they possibly be? If this was their genuine understanding, why wouldn't they counsel him to report it, and the Church will provide the necessary legal and financial support for any potential civil suit?

Gross.

$$ over kids. That's the moral priority of the LDS Church behind such advice/policy.