Master Timeline of Mopologetics, Second Edition

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Re: Master Timeline of Mopologetics, Second Edition

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:27 pm
Masterful work, Reverend Kishkumen. You mentioned Kevin Graham switching sides; should there be a reference to Kerry Shirts switching sides as well?
Indeed! I’ll take care of that soon.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:58 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:27 pm
Masterful work, Reverend Kishkumen. You mentioned Kevin Graham switching sides; should there be a reference to Kerry Shirts switching sides as well?
Indeed! I’ll take care of that soon.
Who is this Kerry Shirts and why is he our favorite ex Mopologist? 🤣
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Shulem wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:36 pm
For your consideration:

I hesitated to say anything earlier because I didn't want to self-aggrandize but maybe you should consider that the discovery of Anubis's missing nose happened right here on Discuss Mormonism, live, and members here helped me with details of that discovery. Discussion followed along with other threads about this important feature. Within minutes Philo Sofee was there to participate and relish the sensational find! Yeah baby!! So far (almost 5 years) to my knowledge the Church and its Egyptologists have made no public mention of the obvious implications of this important discovery.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:08 pm A few questions for Shulem
May I credit you under your in real life name, or would you prefer Shulem?
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Dr Moore wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:02 pm
Who is this Kerry Shirts and why is he our favorite ex Mopologist? 🤣
In my view Kerry is one of the most significant people of Mormonism of the early aughts.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:09 pm
Dr Moore wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:02 pm
Who is this Kerry Shirts and why is he our favorite ex Mopologist? 🤣
In my view Kerry is one of the most significant people of Mormonism of the early aughts.
I heartily agree!! My mistake for sarcastic emoji fail.
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Binger wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:45 am
Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:44 pm

1981
Chiasmus in Antiquity is in galley proofs and is due out in the Fall.
John W. Welch publishes Chiasmus in Antiquity.
Great list. Great work.

Kish, in your archives and data is there a specific thread detailing the life of this Chiasmus work? It is, in my experience, one apologetic masterpiece that went mainstream. Meaning, it became part of elders quorum rants, high priest group eloquence, CES lessons, firesides, MTC higher level lessons, read-aloud sunday school lessons and home teaching.

How did this particular apologetic art get so widespread?

An excellent and complicated question!
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Dr Moore wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:16 pm
I heartily agree!! My mistake for sarcastic emoji fail.
I caught the good humor. I’m wrestling with an English Bull terrier that demands my attention.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:16 pm
Binger wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:45 am


Great list. Great work.

Kish, in your archives and data is there a specific thread detailing the life of this Chiasmus work? It is, in my experience, one apologetic masterpiece that went mainstream. Meaning, it became part of elders quorum rants, high priest group eloquence, CES lessons, firesides, MTC higher level lessons, read-aloud sunday school lessons and home teaching.

How did this particular apologetic art get so widespread?

An excellent and complicated question!
No pressure, Brother. Just know that I am very curious about this.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:16 pm
Binger wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:45 am


Great list. Great work.

Kish, in your archives and data is there a specific thread detailing the life of this Chiasmus work? It is, in my experience, one apologetic masterpiece that went mainstream. Meaning, it became part of elders quorum rants, high priest group eloquence, CES lessons, firesides, MTC higher level lessons, read-aloud sunday school lessons and home teaching.

How did this particular apologetic art get so widespread?

An excellent and complicated question!
I'd definitely be interested to hear the Reverend's take, but my thinking on this is that it was launched thanks to John "Jack" W. Welch--who has always been something of a "puppet master" behind FARMS. Chiasmus was Welch's pet project and he was a major figure in terms of disseminating it as a popular apologetic idea. As to how it got so widespread.... I don't know. Word of mouth? I would imagine that it was "popularized" in much the same way as the LGT.
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Binger wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:45 am
How did this particular apologetic art get so widespread?
My musing is that it may be because this particular apologetic is incredibly visual, and easy to "see" and digest.**

I don't know about other areas, but even into the early twenty-teens, I would see H. Clay Gorton's "A New Witness for Christ..." on the shelves at Deseret Book. Even GA authored books didn't enjoy the shelf-life of Gorton's, and it was usually on the eye-catching shelves, and not relegated to the back corners where Nibley's life works, and FARMS papers were found.


ETA: **Chiastic structures, that is. As opposed to Chiasmus.
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