University of South Carolina Cancels Basketball Games With BYU Over Racial Incident

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Re: University of South Carolina Cancels Basketball Games With BYU Over Racial Incident

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Moksha wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:31 am
BYU should pledge to take away students' future planets if they yell racial slurs at games.
How would such a pledge improve anything?
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IHAQ wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:28 am
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 5?lang=eng

Whilst this^ is still within the doctrinal canon of the church every sporting entity that believes in fighting racism should boycott BYU.
Now do Notre Dame, Georgetown, Loyola, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Boston College, Villanova, Fordham, Howard, St. Louis, Santa Clara, Pepperdine, USF, USD, Depaul, Texas Christian, Baylor, Marquette, St. John's, Seton Hall, Xavier and Providence.

I am particularly interested in seeing your plea to ban sporting events at Xavier and Howard which are also a HBCU. There are approximately 40 more of schools like those.

After all, they have not disavowed the Bible or Christianity, including this:
14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. 16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Now is a good time to not be racist any longer. It is also a good time to not be stupid. BYU has a lot of things to improve. I have left the religion that underwrites the university and I do not include BYU on my resume or bio (I transferred and graduated from Tulane). But it is just another form of discrimination and a triggered reaction to a hoax that is behind this thread, behind the suggestion to ban BYU and behind the Gamecocks' decision to un-schedule BYU. These sorts of double standards are pointless and harmful. After all, would you really ban Howard and Xavier from NCAA competitions for the same reason, or no?

Let the kids play sports. Leave the woke and hoaxes out of it. There is enough racism in the world that must be eradicated, we don't need to imagine more and hoax our asses off.
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IHAQ wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:28 am
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... tures/Book of Mormon/2-ne/5?lang=eng

Whilst this^ is still within the doctrinal canon of the church every sporting entity that believes in fighting racism should boycott BYU.
But rather than jumping on the virtue signaling bandwagon as has been the case this past week on this board, these same folks ought to ask more questions and do more research before jumping to conclusions and following in line behind you.

One place to start:

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/arc ... -blackness

Others besides Brant Gardner come down more on the side of metaphorical explanations for the scriptures you point to in the Book of Mormon. Whether they are right or wrong is a point of conjecture and argument. In the meantime we ought to be careful about our judgements and condemnations.

What we can say is that BYU and the LDS Church come down definitively on the side of anti racism and loving ALL of our brothers and sisters. THAT is what we ought to move forward with, in my opinion.

That’s all I’ll have to say on this topic except to say it is better to ask MORE questions, not less, and to study it out in our own minds using as many sources of information as we can.

I’m sure that you would recommend, for example, the link I posted as essential reading material to news media organizations and/or others who are WOKE.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:02 pm
BYU and the LDS Church come down definitively on the side of loving ALL of our brothers and sisters.
Unfortunately that is not the case:

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/blo ... let-at-byu
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Personally, I think it would be a good thing for the BYU AD and the coach of the basketball team to hop on a plane and meet with the AD, coach and perhaps the team at Duke. It sounds like Richardson was impressed with the AD after their meeting, and I’ve seen no indication that she supports a general boycott of BYU athletics.

Face to face meetings, not filtered through third parties including the press, can often promote understand and unity as opposed to hostility and division.
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drumdude wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:12 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:02 pm
BYU and the LDS Church come down definitively on the side of loving ALL of our brothers and sisters.
Unfortunately that is not the case:

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/blo ... let-at-byu
FairMormon wrote:no student who promotes and attends, let alone organizes, a drag show should continue to enjoy tithing-subsidized attendance at a church institution.
Love does not mean tolerating actions and/or behavior that runs contrary to the teachings and practice of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as taught by the CofJCofLDS. We are to love the ‘sinner’ we are under no compulsion/commandment to condone the sin.

If you read all the way through the FAIR link you will see that there are things that really aren’t conducive to the standards of BYU and the church. The line has to be drawn in the sand. The pamphlet went overboard in regards to advertising:

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This is one of the sponsors. They were advertising in the pamphlet that freshman BYU students were originally set to receive before it was yanked at the last minute.

Kudos to BYU for taking a stand for what they believe is right. That doesn’t in any way negate our responsibility to show love…rather than hate…towards those folks that are promoting transgender lifestyles.

This is going off topic a bit so this is all I’m going to say on this thread having to do with the post you made.

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:14 pm
Personally, I think it would be a good thing for the BYU AD and the coach of the basketball team to hop on a plane and meet with the AD, coach and perhaps the team at Duke. It sounds like Richardson was impressed with the AD after their meeting, and I’ve seen no indication that she supports a general boycott of BYU athletics.

Face to face meetings, not filtered through third parties including the press, can often promote understand and unity as opposed to hostility and division.
I’m sure this would be a great alternative to what will more than likely transpire. Folks are going to jump on the WOKE bandwagon and diss BYU because it’s the thing to do.

Lemmings.

Communication is key. From all players/parties.

It was somewhat frustrating to see AD Holmoe cave so quickly.

The times we live in.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:27 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:14 pm
Personally, I think it would be a good thing for the BYU AD and the coach of the basketball team to hop on a plane and meet with the AD, coach and perhaps the team at Duke. It sounds like Richardson was impressed with the AD after their meeting, and I’ve seen no indication that she supports a general boycott of BYU athletics.

Face to face meetings, not filtered through third parties including the press, can often promote understand and unity as opposed to hostility and division.
I’m sure this would be a great alternative to what will more than likely transpire. Folks are going to jump on the WOKE bandwagon and diss BYU because it’s the thing to do.

Lemmings.

Communication is key. From all players/parties.

It was somewhat frustrating to see AD Holmoe cave so quickly.

The times we live in.

Regards,
MG
It’s attitudes just like yours that impedes understanding and unity. You’ve got that old LDS persecution complex revv’d up, topped off with white guy racial resentment.

Let’s talk about the way you targeted and demonized the woman you’ve discussed in this thread. Did you notice that all those tweets were parts of conversations? You jumped to conclusions based only on a curated selection of out of context tweets. You didn’t spend one second investigating context or getting the actual facts, which is exactly what you are complaining about in others. Maybe you should take care of that big old beam before casting stone. (I’m love mixed Biblical metaphors.

And, in response to my suggestion that those affected try to do the grownup thing and sit down and talk things out, you just throw more gasoline on the fire. Yeah, instead of doing his best to fix a bad situation, he should gone to war like you.

Was Jesus just yanking our chains with that “turn the other cheek” stuff? Or the love your enemies stuff? If you’re going to claim to be a follower of Christ, shouldn’t you at least make an effort? Cuz you know who Jesus really hated? Hypocrites.

If you genuinely believed fairness, Justice, and equality, your view this incident as an opportunity to increase understanding and not another bullet in your culture war.
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RI,

How do you imagine a conversation between the BYU AD and interested parties unfolding? It’d be a strange one, especially if the SC coach and others were to insist Richardson’s narrative were true and faithful to the events of that night.

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I don't wish to see BYU or anyone/institution unfairly accused and it looks like this is what is happening here. Ms. Richardson claims to have heard something that the african american basketball players for BYU didn't and no one else did for that matter either. I also listened intently while watching the video where Ms. Richardson was serving, once I found the locations, and heard nothing. I wasn't there but the challenged kid denies saying anything of the sort, the cop didn't hear anything and no one has come forward. Seems like S. Carolina jumped the gun.

What can they do here other than calmly ask for some sort of rationality while more information comes out? https://www.deseret.com/sports/2022/9/2 ... allegation

I remember back in the 70's when BYU was boycotted for their racial stance. I was young but remember how my parents weren't comfortable and didn't really want to discuss it when I asked questions. However, it was justified back then but doesn't appear to be justified now. Regardless of the racism contained in the Book of Mormon and book of abraham, I don't think Mormons are the racist sort and will fall all over themselves to deny the obvious racism contained in their holy books. It would be too bad if this mushrooms.
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