Humor. Different strokes for different folks.
Always looking for ‘proofs’ that meet your preferred expectations.
Now, that’s kind of funny in its own way.
Not to the point of laughing, but still.
Regards,
MG
Humor. Different strokes for different folks.
Pilpul. Your brain is literally incapable of addressing direct questions honestly and goes into pilpul’ly machinations to avoid giving the obvious answer.
My expectations? How about yours?MG wrote:Always looking for ‘proofs’ that meet your preferred expectations.
Doc’s question was a tricky one for KevinSim, so what happened? KevinSim disappeared and MG2.0 showed up to splatter the thread with tripe for page after page to make this question disappear for KevinSim. Same old pattern.IHAQ wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:26 amI think this is a key question that gets right to the heart of the matter. Kevin, can you answer Doc's question?Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:07 amWhat would your organization have to do to be Not True?
I get the point that both of you are expressing, but I dunno; I’m going to take a hard line on this.Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:57 pmI think I agree of both of you. False information causes damage regardless of intent. But lying isn’t just stating false information, it requires some type of knowledge about the truth.dastardly stem wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:55 pm
I agree with your comment but I think mine still stands. I'm addressing someone's accusation that another is lying. I think to support the accusation that one has lied, the subject's intent needs to be taken into account. If someone says something that is not true, we most definitely ought to make comment in hopes to stop the spread of the falsehood. I don't think that confirms the falsehood as stated by the subject was that subject's lie, even if it was someone else's lie. A person could very well believe a lie is true and repeat it as if it were true. In this case, I don't think a believer is necessarily lying if they say they know their religion is true, or God is there or any such thing. they actually believe they have knowledge on the matter, or as close as we can get to knowledge.
Understandable. I guess I'm still at the place of giving them a bit of a pass on the sincerity meter.Morley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:24 pmI get the point that both of you are expressing, but I dunno; I’m going to take a hard line on this.
I’ve become much less willing to give a pass to the cover that religion, ignorance, or (increasingly) politics has provided. As Res acknowledges, self-deception is not ever limited to the self in the damage it causes. When I’m willing to lie to myself, when I cover my willful ignorance in a patina of self righteousness, then I think everyone has the right to call me on my prevarications. Self-deceivers who bathe themselves in holy water are still telling lies. Sometimes they half-realize what they’re doing, but think that if they can shout the deception loud enough, and long enough—or deliver it in the correct tone of condescending spirituality—it will count as being wholly true. I’m beyond tired of forgiving that type of behavior. [/rant]
Which is because you're a real mensch, Stem.dastardly stem wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:56 pmUnderstandable. I guess I'm still at the place of giving them a bit of a pass on the sincerity meter.Morley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:24 pm
I get the point that both of you are expressing, but I dunno; I’m going to take a hard line on this.
I’ve become much less willing to give a pass to the cover that religion, ignorance, or (increasingly) politics has provided. As Res acknowledges, self-deception is not ever limited to the self in the damage it causes. When I’m willing to lie to myself, when I cover my willful ignorance in a patina of self righteousness, then I think everyone has the right to call me on my prevarications. Self-deceivers who bathe themselves in holy water are still telling lies. Sometimes they half-realize what they’re doing, but think that if they can shout the deception loud enough, and long enough—or deliver it in the correct tone of condescending spirituality—it will count as being wholly true. I’m beyond tired of forgiving that type of behavior. [/rant]