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msnobody wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:52 am

Kishkumen wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:03 am

What I am saying is that you are not showing that hell exists by posing a question. I don’t need to answer that question, nor does there need to be an answer to the question. Either the doctrine of hell is clearly laid out in the Bible or it is not. I say it is not.

Maybe were at an impasse. Seems we are both seeking the burden of proof from one another.

msnobody wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:29 pm

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:16 pm

Why don’t you just make your point instead of asking leading questions?

- Doc

Kishkumen stated, "Hell is a false doctrine. It has no solid basis in the Bible."

I asked, "Tell me, then, biblically, what becomes of those who continue to rebel against God until the last day [coming of Christ/final judgement to clarify]?

An invitation for Kishkumen to show me from biblical scripture where I err, and for me to consider changing my view if warranted. That is the point. He may or may not be interested and that is fine with me. I'm sure we both would like to enjoy this beautiful day instead of going back and forth on a discussion board.

msnobody wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:11 pm

… I'm referring to the day of the Lord or the day Christ returns and final judgement. Biblically, what becomes of those who rebel against God up until the day Christ returns?

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:28 pm

msnobody wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:52 am

Maybe were at an impasse. Seems we are both seeking the burden of proof from one another.

Par for the course.

LDS Scriptures have something to say in this matter.

But that doesn’t matter here.

Regards,
MG

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:35 pm

MG 2.0 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:28 pm

Par for the course.

LDS Scriptures have something to say in this matter.

But that doesn’t matter here.

Regards,
MG

I’d feel grumpy too if I felt like I had to sit through days of General Conference pablum.

- Doc

I can see uncertainty about the idea of hell in the Bible. I also do not think it is reasonable to expect to find answers to every question in the Bible. Hunting for comments which might be clues is an uncertain matter.

Kishkumen wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:54 pm

I can see uncertainty about the idea of hell in the Bible. I also do not think it is reasonable to expect to find answers to every question in the Bible. Hunting for comments which might be clues is an uncertain matter.

Protestants are the ones who push the idea that the Bible is the final word on doctrine. Then when something is not covered in the Bible, they make allowances for hellfire?

LOL.

Yes, I am aware that there is a clear doctrine of divine punishment. What is unclear, and most likely just wrong, is the idea of souls eternally tortured in a place called hell. It is one thing to say that the fires don’t go out, and another to insist that people are left there forever.

Kishkumen wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:54 pm

I can see uncertainty about the idea of hell in the Bible. I also do not think it is reasonable to expect to find answers to every question in the Bible. Hunting for comments which might be clues is an uncertain matter.

Protestants are the ones who push the idea that the Bible is the final word on doctrine. Then when something is not covered in the Bible, they make allowances for hellfire?

LOL.

Yes, I am aware that there is a clear doctrine of divine punishment. What is unclear, and most likely just wrong, is the idea of souls eternally tortured in a place called hell. It is one thing to say that the fires don’t go out, and another to insist that people are left there forever.

dastardly stem wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:21 pm

Likewise traditional Christians speaks as if God loves them more than any Mormon. Mormons are wrong. God lets them get tricked while they think they are really experiencing God. One day they'll know, but for most it'll be too late.

Philo Sofee wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:12 pm

I suspect the hell view is a misapplied and misunderstood of God's glory in fire. It would not surprise me in the least if it has been misunderstood and had it turned on its head...

Jersey Girl wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:32 pm

dastardly stem wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:21 pm

Likewise traditional Christians speaks as if God loves them more than any Mormon. Mormons are wrong. God lets them get tricked while they think they are really experiencing God. One day they'll know, but for most it'll be too late.

Huh? I don't recognize the Christians that you describe here as speaking as if God loves them more than any Mormon. Not even close.

Can you share a more specific experience you've had with that type of interaction yourself where statements were made to that effect?

Have you ever gotten that vibe on these boards from me or others who identify as non-LDS Christian?

Ftr, I do absolutely believe that LDS can experience God, know Jesus, and discern the leading of the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost as LDS refer to it in the language of their faith.

I wanted to get into the hell doctrine piece of this thread (reading it backwards as I often do) so I went to the beginning and found your post here. I'd appreciate it if you would answer the bolded questions I posed to you.