Church Sent Patients to Sex Therapist — Even After Being Accused of Abuse

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Church Sent Patients to Sex Therapist — Even After Being Accused of Abuse

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Here we go again, and again, and again.....
A plainspoken, heavy-set man now in his early 50s, with intense brown eyes and a swoop of gray hair, Harker was fairly well-known in the LDS community. In addition to his private counseling agency, he also ran support groups, including groups for men struggling with pornography addiction, with bishops frequently recommending his anti-masturbation manual, Like Dragons They Did Fight.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 234603068/

Edited the link. Thanks Res Ipsa.
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Note: he was beating the crap out of a faithful Mormon woman as part of his therapy for her.

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That link just sent me to the first page of Yahoo News. I believe that the article is from Rolling Stone: here's a link: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 234603068/
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Re: Church Sent Patients to Sex Therapist — Even After Being Accused of Abuse

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I'm sure generations of church leaders actually did believe that the gospel of faith and repentance actually was more powerful at changing behavior than anything else. It's obvious now, on issues such as abuse, that their confidence was misplaced. An incredibly costly error.

The institution is not the faith, as much as sitting leaders want members to conflate the two. But it doesn't matter for members -- that ship has sailed. And while past mistaken beliefs of leaders could be forgiven with proper admission, change, and restitution, unfortunately, we're actually seeing the opposite. The denial and cover-ups go deep because to admit being wrong is no different from church leaders admitting the church isn't actually led by actual Jesus.

This institutional doctrine that "worldly ways" are inferior to the Church's ways (a.k.a., "God's way") has predictably failed to change enough and fast enough. This is all arrogance. It causes actual harm.

One of my most believing relatives is losing their faith in real time over these emerging revelations about church handling of abuse cases. She is heartbroken to learn that the church has fallen so far short on something so critical. She believes the church follows inspiration, and as such operates ahead of the curve. She's realizing that the organization does worse than the curve by sticking to its "better than" narrative at moments when it could have evolved constructively and transparently.
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Re: Church Sent Patients to Sex Therapist — Even After Being Accused of Abuse

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:11 pm
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:39 pm
Here we go again, and again, and again.....
The first two ‘agains’ didn’t amount to anything. No there there.

That’s what I meant earlier by throwing stuff out there until it sticks. Same thing that’s been happening in the press the last few years. And the crazy thing is, it’s folks like you that don’t even seem to care when confronted with the fact that stuff doesn’t stick when the dust settles and the evidence comes out.

You just go on to the next big thing. In this case, the next ‘again’. Seemingly thinking that if you shout about something long enough folks will begin to believe it.

Even if it is just ‘patsies’ in the echo chamber.

I’ve seen that same thing happen in regards to other topics that come and go on this board.

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More vagueries and clucking from the troll.

http://www.hurley-law.com/wp-content/up ... 017-06.pdf

300 pages of again and again. And this is just a fraction of what’s going on.

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Hugh Nibley claimed he bumped into Adolf Hitler, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Gertrude Stein, and the Grand Duke Vladimir Romanoff. Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:39 pm
Here we go again, and again, and again.....
A plainspoken, heavy-set man now in his early 50s, with intense brown eyes and a swoop of gray hair, Harker was fairly well-known in the LDS community. In addition to his private counseling agency, he also ran support groups, including groups for men struggling with pornography addiction, with bishops frequently recommending his anti-masturbation manual, Like Dragons They Did Fight.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 234603068/

Edited the link. Thanks Res Ipsa.
this is the group that offers Sons of Helaman, recently discussed here.
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Re: Church Sent Patients to Sex Therapist — Even After Being Accused of Abuse

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:04 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:06 pm


More vagueries and clucking from the troll.

http://www.hurley-law.com/wp-content/up ... 017-06.pdf

300 pages of again and again. And this is just a fraction of what’s going on.

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Dr Moore wrote:
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...MG jumps in to troll...And around and around. MG doesn’t give two craps about data, methodology or logic. All he wants is to get people mad. #ignorethetroll
The fact that you continually respond to my posts seems to demonstrate that you are not able to discipline yourself to the tried and true method by which you can simply make me disappear.

Starve me. 😉

The truth is, generally speaking there is not much to say in response to your rather inane and hypersensitive posts.

Cluck cluck.

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In 1986, Marilyn Sandburg the former director of the Weber County (Utah) Task Force on Sexual Abuse addressed LDS Social Workers at an AMCAP (Association of Mormon Counselors and Psychotherapists) meeting stated:

“Most of these abuse cases were referred to the legal system by individuals other than religious leaders, and yet in many of the cases the abuse had been brought to the attention of clergy members long before it was reported to the authorities."

"One particular incest case I worked with had been reported to six different bishops, and none of those bishops reported it to the authorities. The molestation continued for a period of eleven years.”
[FR1, -cp-] are you ok with incestual pedophiles not being reported by your “church”?

Again and again and again …

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Hugh Nibley claimed he bumped into Adolf Hitler, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Gertrude Stein, and the Grand Duke Vladimir Romanoff. Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.
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Re: Church Sent Patients to Sex Therapist — Even After Being Accused of Abuse

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:12 pm

[FR1, -cp-] are you ok with incestual pedophiles not being reported by your “church”?
If we were to break bread with one another you probably wouldn’t talk like this and I probably wouldn’t respond to your ‘piece of crap’ accusations, and the like, with disappointment and sadness as a result of your inability to carry on a civil conversation.

Be that as it may, I’ve already said what I wanted to say here:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=156226&start=50

There is room for improvement.

I stand by my response to Mr. Chung.

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Dr Moore wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:37 pm
The denial and cover-ups go deep because to admit being wrong is no different from church leaders admitting the church isn't actually led by actual Jesus.
I too would like to see more transparency in the church. I would think that leaders admitting when an error in judgement has been made would be healthy.

I do disagree with you, however, in making a direct connection between the fact that church leaders do not always exercise perfect judgement with whether or not the church is led by and instituted by God.

Those two things are not mutually inclusive. They may be exclusive of each other.

Joseph Smith said:

‘Some revelations are of God; and some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil.’
I would hope that out of the three sources of revelation that the third is uncommon in regards to church leaders. My guess is that the second type of revelation, that of man, is fairly common. The first source, God, is a bit harder to come by.

And I think that holds true for everyone.

Especially in a world so saturated with materiality and instant access to information. We tend to rely on both. To get revelation from God nowadays is a somewhat different matter than in days gone by, me thinks.

And again, I think that holds true for everyone in westernized societies where our material needs and easy access to ‘answers’ are so readily available.

Regards,
MG

P.S. I’m not expecting a response as I understand you would be breaking your first rule:

Don’t feed the troll!
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[FR1, -cp-]
IN 2013 a lawsuit was filed in Berkeley County (West Virginia). The suit “alleges that the Church and church leaders covered up the sexual abuse of 12 children occurring over a period of five years by Christopher Michael Jensen. The children were ages 3 and 4 at the time of the abuse. The suit states that the church was repeatedly put on notice or had knowledge about allegations that Jensen had sexually abused children of church families.”
Just in case [FR2, -cp-] can’t find the link upthread:

http://www.hurley-law.com/wp-content/up ... 017-06.pdf

Again and again and again …
The ruling stems from a 1998 lawsuit by Jeremiah Scott, now 21, of Washington state. He accused a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints high priest of sexually abusing him repeatedly in 1990 and 1991, in Portland, when he was 11. The high priest was later convicted of the charges.

The high priest, Franklin Richard Curtis, was 87 at the time of the abuse and has since died. The Oregonian typically does not name sex-abuse victims, but in this case, Scott consented. At issue is what the church knew about Curtis' past and when.

Scott's lawsuit claims that the church knew of Curtis' past sex abuse when Curtis moved in with Scott's family but didn't warn them. When he moved to Oregon, Curtis had been excommunicated from a ward in Pennsylvania for sex abuse. Curtis was re-baptized in 1984, according to court records … Curtis became a member of the Rocky Butte Ward in Portland, where he sexually abused at least five children, according to the plaintiff's lawsuit. He was confronted by the Rocky Butte bishop and admitted the molestations. The bishop kept it quiet until parents began to complain, and then he only reported to Salt Lake City superiors of the church, not police, the complaint states.Then Curtis joined the Brentwood Ward, where he told then-Bishop Gregory Lee Foster that he had abused in the past, and Foster kept it quiet because Curtis said he'd repented.
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Hugh Nibley claimed he bumped into Adolf Hitler, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Gertrude Stein, and the Grand Duke Vladimir Romanoff. Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.
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