I’m not sure where the Bible says that God creates evil. Maybe you could show me.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:34 pmAre you suggesting the chief Musician, Altaschith, who served David directly didn’t understand Jewish theology and was allowed to just make up things up because it made for a good ditty? Furthermore, are you saying Psalms is heretical with regard to Jewish theology?huckelberry wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:20 pm
Psalm 58
"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies"
A person might imagine that in Bible world some people upon birth are directly able to speak and create lies. Or one might imagine that an exaggeration is being made here.
The Psalm is not god explaining things it is a person complaining about the dangers of military enemies.
- Doc
eta: I should point out the Bible is very clear the “Lord” creates evil and uses evil, even evil spirits, to afflict others. It also falls squarely within Jewish theology, as described by the Bible, that the Jewish god forms man by his own hand (or something approximating the metaphor). In other words, if someone comes out of the womb as an evil of some sort, it’s because the “Lord” did it, and it’s because he has something in mind for the evildoer later on.
Genesis 5 says
When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered
a son in his own likeness[Adam], after his image [Adam], and named him Seth.
This contrasted with pre Fall where God created man in his [God’s] image.
Psalm 51 says
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
From what I can tell biblical text tells us that from the Fall, man is born with a sin nature or propensity to sin. Nevertheless, in our lifetime we choose to sin.
About all I’ll give you in what you said, Doc, is that God sometimes allows the fallen gods [elohim] of the divine council/ heavenly hosts to make some decisions about how things will play out such with King Ahab as was discussed previously in one of the threads. Admittedly, God does remain sovereign.
Jeremiah 18 speaks of clay in the potter’s hand
” So I went down to the potter's house, and there he was working at his wheel. And the vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter's hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to do.
Then the word of the LORD came to me: “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the LORD.”
Then, there is Romans 9 where again the potter and clay, vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath are mentioned, with God having mercy on those whom he chooses to do so.
Revelation 22 says
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.